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hey guys, my good friend gave me his FC... now the car is in a horrible condition, i think the engine is pretty much toasted. i wanna make this car my project car, so i was thinking if a 3rd gen's twin turbo engine swap alone with the transimission could be done... if so, how much do u think it will be? thanx for the answers and let the flame begin =)
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There's a lot of work to get a 13B-REW to fit in there. Best to go for the cheaper option of a 13BT from the FC's, save yourself the time and money, port it, get an larger turbo or whatever, but I reckon you'd be happier with a 13B from an FC. my 2c
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thanx for the input man, another question, how much whp does the 13bt outputs? i got about 5G to play around right now... i kinda need a transmisson too, 2nd and 3rd gears grind really bad
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frankly no good
the twins are worse than the single small fc turbo
the motors pop constanly on account of no MAF so they run lean in thier stock form
its uber expensive
you would be better off swaping in a TII motor and rebuilding it/porting/bigger turbo/more FUEL witch is very important
do some searching around here and see what you come up with, proper research is always a good idea and welcome to the club
EDIT: someone beat me too it, a properly done TII will suppourt 400hp easily
the twins are worse than the single small fc turbo
the motors pop constanly on account of no MAF so they run lean in thier stock form
its uber expensive
you would be better off swaping in a TII motor and rebuilding it/porting/bigger turbo/more FUEL witch is very important
do some searching around here and see what you come up with, proper research is always a good idea and welcome to the club
EDIT: someone beat me too it, a properly done TII will suppourt 400hp easily
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I don't really know how to judge price, cause of our difference in currency.... but putting that aside...
I'd rebuild the engine, perhaps stage 2 port, rebuild ur turbo and port the wastegate, get some good quality apex seals or just oem mazda 2mm (3mm if ur gonna up the boost later), get yourself a good S5 ex-manifold, buy some new good brake pads and brake fluid, some new suspention bushes, a nice air filter, and if you got money left over, perhaps some larger secondaries, a walbro 255 or equivalent, a boost controller (to hold boost steady, not to raise the boost to 2 bar!) , and a piggy back fuel controller.
and Alex, IMO the twin turbo's are not that bad, but rather, it's hard to get them functioning correctly or reliably (s.p?) It would be interesting to see a batty engine in an FC tho... but dude, for ur 5G budget, u'd be better off with a straight swap with a S5 13BT
I'm guessing you have a N/A FC in your possession. Is it a S4 or S5? The info for the above was intended for a NA S5
I'd rebuild the engine, perhaps stage 2 port, rebuild ur turbo and port the wastegate, get some good quality apex seals or just oem mazda 2mm (3mm if ur gonna up the boost later), get yourself a good S5 ex-manifold, buy some new good brake pads and brake fluid, some new suspention bushes, a nice air filter, and if you got money left over, perhaps some larger secondaries, a walbro 255 or equivalent, a boost controller (to hold boost steady, not to raise the boost to 2 bar!) , and a piggy back fuel controller.
and Alex, IMO the twin turbo's are not that bad, but rather, it's hard to get them functioning correctly or reliably (s.p?) It would be interesting to see a batty engine in an FC tho... but dude, for ur 5G budget, u'd be better off with a straight swap with a S5 13BT
I'm guessing you have a N/A FC in your possession. Is it a S4 or S5? The info for the above was intended for a NA S5
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youve got 5grand? Give me the car and buy a TII 
Serously though... Give Me The Car...
The money and effort you would put into that wouldnt really be worth the time. Its more easy to buy somthing than to fix it(GOD i wish i could have learned that 3 7s and 4500 dollars ago...) 5 Grand should be good enough to find a Nice S4 or a decent S5...
Serously though... Give Me The Car...
The money and effort you would put into that wouldnt really be worth the time. Its more easy to buy somthing than to fix it(GOD i wish i could have learned that 3 7s and 4500 dollars ago...) 5 Grand should be good enough to find a Nice S4 or a decent S5...
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Oh, and please please please.... setup your fueling before you stick a front mount and raise the boost. Remember, my recommendation for the boost controller is to keep the boost from spiking or creeping, and to spool up faster. Also, i meant an electronic boost controller, not a boost tap. Try a Greddy/TRUST Profec B- Spec II.
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lol sorry bro... im a honda/mitsubishi guy, so i don't know if its S4 or S5, so whats the difference? lol i can't give u the car... i promised my bud that i'll get this car running again, and he's got a lot of stuff on it already... such as Eibach spring, tokico shocks, advan Novas, and exhaust of some sort, body kit and the list goes on...
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^ iwas jk...
Just a thought though... if your building a TII from an NA, whats the bolt pattern on the car? is it 4 or 5lug... do you know what Model you have? (does it have a decal on the car that says somthing like GXL, GTU, SE?)
BTW, where can I find friends that give me already modded 7s hahaha lol(ofcourse jk agian, take nothing that i say seriously...)
Just a thought though... if your building a TII from an NA, whats the bolt pattern on the car? is it 4 or 5lug... do you know what Model you have? (does it have a decal on the car that says somthing like GXL, GTU, SE?)
BTW, where can I find friends that give me already modded 7s hahaha lol(ofcourse jk agian, take nothing that i say seriously...)
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I'm not sure, but I think the Trust/Greddy should be a cheaper option (depends on the area your in and availability?)
Oh btw, the easiest way to visually tell a S5 from a S4 is, the S5 has round lights at the back, and a different front bumper and side mouldings, and painted side mirrors. A S4 will have the matrix square lights. You might also wanna try to source a S5 LSD, and maybe try to do a S5 brake conversion (but your budget is probably at it's max already hehe). I'd only do that cause I like the 5 stud aftermarket wheels the japanese make, but it'll be a diff story in the US, i'm sure u guys have a lot of cool american made wheels as well available.
Oh yea, might also pay to get a good aftermarket water temp sensor, and boost gauge. also an air/fuel gauge if you get a boost controller, cause u'll want to monitor ur a/f readings. Remember, turbo rotaries don't like detonation or running lean! And for future reference, change ur oil at it's due date every time, and she'll treat yer right
Oh btw, the easiest way to visually tell a S5 from a S4 is, the S5 has round lights at the back, and a different front bumper and side mouldings, and painted side mirrors. A S4 will have the matrix square lights. You might also wanna try to source a S5 LSD, and maybe try to do a S5 brake conversion (but your budget is probably at it's max already hehe). I'd only do that cause I like the 5 stud aftermarket wheels the japanese make, but it'll be a diff story in the US, i'm sure u guys have a lot of cool american made wheels as well available.
Oh yea, might also pay to get a good aftermarket water temp sensor, and boost gauge. also an air/fuel gauge if you get a boost controller, cause u'll want to monitor ur a/f readings. Remember, turbo rotaries don't like detonation or running lean! And for future reference, change ur oil at it's due date every time, and she'll treat yer right
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Originally Posted by MrFC3S
^ iwas jk...
Just a thought though... if your building a TII from an NA, whats the bolt pattern on the car? is it 4 or 5lug... do you know what Model you have? (does it have a decal on the car that says somthing like GXL, GTU, SE?)
BTW, where can I find friends that give me already modded 7s hahaha lol(ofcourse jk agian, take nothing that i say seriously...)
Just a thought though... if your building a TII from an NA, whats the bolt pattern on the car? is it 4 or 5lug... do you know what Model you have? (does it have a decal on the car that says somthing like GXL, GTU, SE?)
BTW, where can I find friends that give me already modded 7s hahaha lol(ofcourse jk agian, take nothing that i say seriously...)
Lol redsuns sticker....
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Originally Posted by MrFC3S
^ iwas jk...
Just a thought though... if your building a TII from an NA, whats the bolt pattern on the car? is it 4 or 5lug... do you know what Model you have? (does it have a decal on the car that says somthing like GXL, GTU, SE?)
BTW, where can I find friends that give me already modded 7s hahaha lol(ofcourse jk agian, take nothing that i say seriously...)
Just a thought though... if your building a TII from an NA, whats the bolt pattern on the car? is it 4 or 5lug... do you know what Model you have? (does it have a decal on the car that says somthing like GXL, GTU, SE?)
BTW, where can I find friends that give me already modded 7s hahaha lol(ofcourse jk agian, take nothing that i say seriously...)
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Originally Posted by mossimopooky
I'm not sure, but I think the Trust/Greddy should be a cheaper option (depends on the area your in and availability?)
Oh btw, the easiest way to visually tell a S5 from a S4 is, the S5 has round lights at the back, and a different front bumper and side mouldings, and painted side mirrors. A S4 will have the matrix square lights. You might also wanna try to source a S5 LSD, and maybe try to do a S5 brake conversion (but your budget is probably at it's max already hehe). I'd only do that cause I like the 5 stud aftermarket wheels the japanese make, but it'll be a diff story in the US, i'm sure u guys have a lot of cool american made wheels as well available.
Oh yea, might also pay to get a good aftermarket water temp sensor, and boost gauge. also an air/fuel gauge if you get a boost controller, cause u'll want to monitor ur a/f readings. Remember, turbo rotaries don't like detonation or running lean! And for future reference, change ur oil at it's due date every time, and she'll treat yer right
Oh btw, the easiest way to visually tell a S5 from a S4 is, the S5 has round lights at the back, and a different front bumper and side mouldings, and painted side mirrors. A S4 will have the matrix square lights. You might also wanna try to source a S5 LSD, and maybe try to do a S5 brake conversion (but your budget is probably at it's max already hehe). I'd only do that cause I like the 5 stud aftermarket wheels the japanese make, but it'll be a diff story in the US, i'm sure u guys have a lot of cool american made wheels as well available.
Oh yea, might also pay to get a good aftermarket water temp sensor, and boost gauge. also an air/fuel gauge if you get a boost controller, cause u'll want to monitor ur a/f readings. Remember, turbo rotaries don't like detonation or running lean! And for future reference, change ur oil at it's due date every time, and she'll treat yer right
us wheels don't flow my boat, im a jdm guy, volk forged wheels all the way. since i need a new transmission, i should just get one with LSD right?
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na, it's not really high maintenance, it's just... more regular maintenance Yea, find a S5 TII LSD and driveshaft, their gooood, should fit right in without too much hassle. Go the JDM! My mate has 17" Work Meister S1 on his S5 NA and it is teh sex!!
Yea, find a S5 TII LSD and driveshaft, their gooood, should fit right in without too much hassle. Go the JDM! My mate has 17" Work Meister S1 on his S5 NA and it is teh sex!!
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so i got a quote from a rotary shop. a complete engine swap with rebuilt 13bt with transmission along with the computer is gonna cost me 8000 us dollars. and 3rd gen twin turbo engine swap with everything else is 9000... so what do u guys think? worth it?
no save yourself from this its great to have an rx7 but if its n/a and the motor is dead...dont bother...8000 is a lot of cash bro
for 8000 grand you can buy a decent FD so dont do it !!!!!
now if you do want to make it turbo you should buy a clip and find that lsd
or just part this rx7 you have and all the cash you have now"5000" right plus a couple hundred bucks will get a clean s5 or s4 turbo at that
good luck ALEX
for 8000 grand you can buy a decent FD so dont do it !!!!!
now if you do want to make it turbo you should buy a clip and find that lsd
or just part this rx7 you have and all the cash you have now"5000" right plus a couple hundred bucks will get a clean s5 or s4 turbo at that
good luck ALEX