Ok, tried doing this with the correct spark plug set-up and got tons more whitish smoke then in previous attemps.... also, each time I turn it over I get no less then 2K on the RPMs before it dies out again (Hope this means it's making progress?) I tried to turn it over a couple more times but my jumper/charger started to die out on me.... Now I have to wait till tomorrow to try agian.... Think there might be a battery draining problem to add onto this, or am I trying too many times and not giving enough rest intervals?

 

hey--is it a stick?? If it is, just push start it!! seriously--if it is badly flooded, that is the best way to get all the gas out. You could spend all day cranking your starter to death killing the battery, and you would still end up better this way. Have someone help you with another vehicle and push it already. Put it in 2nd, and once you get to about 20, let off the clutch. It will fire up but sputter and die--expect that until you get all the excess gas out of the engine. Then once you get enough out, you will know when you push it and it fires up and stays running.

If it is an AT, you will just have to keep a charger handy to keep from killing the battery....and the ABSOLUTE longest I would recommend cranking the starter is 10 seconds...then give it a break of at least 30 seconds to cool off.

 

Yeah, it's stick.... lol, but i'm kinda hesitant about doing that since if it doesn't work i've gotta push it back home in the ghetts.... If other things don't work soon though, I'll just give up and give it a shot... :P

 

Do the pust start. If it dies push it back (I hope you know we mean push with a car.) I actually do the oppisite and pull start. Here is what you need:

1 Dead Rx-7
1 Rope/chain with hooks or some way to attach to the two cars.
1 Truck/SUV or simular vehivle to pull
2 walkie talkies/cellphones to talk between drivers

After I get it started I push in the clutch and feather the gas to keep it running. You will have to stop as the car in front of you has or will do so. A working emergency brake will let you do all three things at once. I find this easier then knocking the car out of gear. The person that pulled will be the one to disconnect the chain. Then, take it for a ride (with your partners vehicle nearby)

Hope this helps

 

Well, gonna try push starting it tomorrow with my boy....
I think it'll definately work once I drain out all the old gas and put in some new stuff....(I accidentally left the car in first this morning when I was trying to start it up and it started moving before I stopped and realized what was going on... lol)
Hope this works, otherwise it's gonna be a pain getting it back to my house afterwards... :P

 

I prefer the push start--you are not connected to the other car this way, and in that respect it is safer. Just work it out with the push driver that once he gets to 20 mph, he backs off, leaving you ahead of him to pop the clutch. I have seen cases before when someone pull started a car and ended up hitting the pull vehicle....just be careful. And worse case you could call a tow truck to get it home if you had to.....but you could also just push it there too

 

i did a pull start on a 240sx that would not start

I would do it on gravel road if you can.......wouldnt' put that great of strain on the car.......

we actually did it when the clutch and brakes weren't bleed so it was stuck in 1st gear and could only use e-brake to stop ........that was interesting..........

 

What the hell is wrong with this picture??? First of all, a graven road will make NO difference instead of a paved road!! You are only trying to spin the engine fast enough and far enough to get the fuel out without burning a starter or killing your battery!! If a paved road is so hard on the car, then why are all the roads paved out there??

As far as your "interesting" time of it, that is dumb as hell....you could **** up your day or someone else's cuz of sheer stupidity, and you call it "interesting"



If your car isn't safe, then who gives a **** if it starts or not? Your best bet is to make sure your car is as safe as possible BEFORE it goes on the road, whether pushing/pulling it or driving it. Either way you are still responsible for what happens

 

double post pls delete

 

My boy canceled out on me, so I couldn't get a chance to get anyone to help push start it today... so I just tinkered around with it today and tried to turn it over... (earlier I said that I changed the spark plugs and put motor oil into the lower holes, and when I turned it over I was hitting 3K twice before getting knocked back down to 2K again) Tried draining the gas, but it looked good still so I used gas restorer and fuel injector cleaner in it and put it back in (Guess A Anthony did something right...) After that, decided to try and just start it up by putting it into first and trying to just move it when it started up before cutting off (Now that I had time to think about it, that probably wasn't such a smart idea... :P Also, i'm trying to figure out why when I did that it was like the gas pedal wouldn't do anything at all.... could only get it moving by holding the brake and letting off the clutch...) Didn't get much but tire marks in my driveway.... Then, to finish off I followed http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/flooding.html and removed the ? shaped hose above the BAC and put oil into the upper intake since it supposedly evenly distributes into each chamber..... tried starting it up and got the trademark smoke but still no increase in compression.... Just wondering if all that I did today could have either helped or hurt my cause in anyone's opinion....

 

I dont think you really hurt anything but you didnt help it much either. The push will still be your best bet IMHO.

 

By the way, how do I tell if my fuel filter is gone? Wanted to try and replace that, if it could be a possible reason why it won't start....

 

It isnt a reason if you have plugs that are soaked in gas....but since it is cheap and not hard to change I would say do it anyway...especially if you dont know how old that one is on the car

This is a good time to check some basics...belts, hoses, fuel filter, things like that while you are waiting to be able to push it

 

That's the thing, the plugs weren't soaked in gas really... they were just darkened..... If I remember right, the only one that had more gas on it then any was the bottom left plug...
Belts seem fine, as do hoses.... Just need to check that fuel filter, I guess.... any tell tale signs of failure with it if I look at it?

 

I say just replace it....if it happened to work then u r all set, and if not it needs to be done anyway

 

lol, ok.... looks like i'll have another shot at push starting it today.... but one question still remains.... my battery's still weak, and it won't help the engine turn over without having the booster connected to it.... think i'll need to keep it connected to it when I try to push, or not?

 

you will want to have the engine all put back together when you do it...that way, if you can get the gas out of it it will fire right up....the low battery doesn't affect this but you will want to get that charged up later....for now just push start it and see what hgappens

 

Ok, tried push starting it today.... some good results, some bad.... the bad is that after doing it three or four times, it still couldn't properly idle (The car booster was still weak, as well as the car battery itself... could have been a reason for not having a full recovery....) However, on the good side the car revs up and goes back to idle position just before canceling out.... it runs for much longer now (More then two seconds, at least) and hits the 4Ks.....

As for the details on how I did it, used my Honda to push the FC up to about 20 MPH or so.... then backed off while my friend dropped the clutch in 1st gear.... what it looked like from my perspective is that the tailpipes would shoot out a litte smoke, then vibrate as if it was running.... after like 5 or more seconds, it would just shut down and smoke would still come out the right tailpipe for just a bit..... ideas, anyone?

 

Also to add, when I start it up in my driveway after the whole push start thing and try to keep it going by playing on the accel. it still doesn't matter..... It'll cut out and just die... Maybe it really is low compression.... ~_~ Also, tried turning the engine over by hand and it works to some extent but it's sorta hard to do it... is it supposed to be extremely easy to pull?

 

Have you had a compression test yet? That will eliminate all doubts.

 

The shop said 35, but I haven't done one personally since i've started all this.... what should my numbers be if it's good, and what would else would I need to try if the numbers permit?

 

Have it done by a Mazda dealer. In order to get accurate numbers, you need a special tester. Don't trust any shop to get it done properly.

 

I would think that if you did the comp test yourself it would give you a good enough idea....even though it wont be as accurate but it would at least be a start. Let us know what you find, and also remember to check for the three even sweeps of the needle. at this point I would also be checking the basics...you need fuel, air, and spark for your car to run. Get a Haynes manual and read the troubleshooting section in the front of it. This will give you several ideas to try and help you with how to do them. It is the best $13 I have spent on mine!

 

Yeah, I got the Hayes Manual with the car when I bought it.... (When I told the lady's husband that it was going to be my project car, he said it would come in handy if the battery wasn't the reason why the car wouldn't start) Been thumbing through that in addition to the many hours i've spent on here looking for a surefire answer :P I think I get fuel, for the engine wouldn't turn over and run for a bit without it.... plus, when I pump the gas a bit when it starts up before it cuts I can hear it rev a bit.... Air i'm not so sure about, since I remember that the intercooler is missing two nuts from it being bolted down (I'm sure A Anthony's took it apart to check or something....) and the air filter is pretty clean but i'm not sure about the cat since it has been sitting if that can have anything to do with it..... (Plus I remember a praying mantis was just chilling near the back of the car like it belonged there when I first saw it... maybe something might be clogging it?) Spark I think I get as well, just for the fact that it starts up....

The only thing i'm still in question of is compression and air.... I've got an idea on how to do compression already, but how do I check to see if it's got proper airflow?

 

Heh, it was the AFM the whole time.... Just held it open with my fingers while I had my little brother start up the car and it was revived... lol, it smoked like a bitch for like a good 30 minutes though..... Only have one more problem now, I seem to be leaking a bit of coolant from the back of the engine I think.... any ideas?