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Need some advice starting a TII thats been sitting for ~4 yrs.

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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 09:22 PM
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Need some advice starting a TII thats been sitting for ~4 yrs.

I just got a TII (87) thats been sitting for ~4yrs (I believe).

I've done some work to it and now I'm trying to start it.
Its having trouble starting.
The motor will turn over, but won't catch.
I pulled the hose from the fuel filter and I get fuel when I jumper the fuel pump.
I checked spark and I get spark.

At first, I thought the car was just flooding, as when I pulled the spark plugs on the rear rotor both plugs were soaked with fuel.
However, when I pulled the plugs from the front rotor, both were dry.

Does anyone have any suggestions as what might be wrong?

The injectors were sent out to be cleaned before I put them in.

TIA for the help!
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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wow, 4 years.
i don't know, your problem might now even be having to do with sitting so long.
but i would suggest siphoning (sp?) all the gas out of the tank and putting some new gas in there with some fuel injector cleaner.
other than that, maybe someone else will be able to answer you question about the rears being soaked and the fronts not...leaking injectors maybe? but if you are consistently getting (after you have turned over the motor a few times) the rears soaked, then maybe not...
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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actually just pump all the gas out with the fuel pump^
easier than trying to siphon it out, lol...
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 01:08 AM
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Thanks for the post coldfire,
I already drained all the old gas and put in new gas.
As for the injectors, I already replaced them.

I'm thinking the front rotor not getting fuel?
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 02:18 AM
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well, you could have told me that information sooner, lol

hmmm...one thing you could try is to swap around the primary and secondary injectors. whenever people have problems with one rotor getting too much fuel compared to the other, this seems to identify whether it is the injectors or something else. that said, you did mention you replaced the injectors, and you can't exactly start the car, so this method would take longer to work. in any case, that IS one thing you can try out. if your front plugs start getting soaked, then maybe your injectors aren't working right. most likely it is not the injectors themselves though, in this case...

so let's check some other things:
i'm thinking maybe ECU problem. make sure you are getting the 12v first of all for the injectors. check the 40amp fuse in the engine bay also, make sure that is not blown. in fact, check all your fuses.
after that you want to make sure your injectors are getting proper connections.
also, find out if the ECU is properly pulsating the ground signal to the injectors. after 4 years, i would definetly put electrical problems on the list of possible causes.

also, keep that jumper in when you try starting the engine. this will ensure that you don't have the fuel pump being cut out because of something (although this is applicable more for cars that actually start and then die after a short while). if this does work however, that means you still have to fix a problem somewhere. i think maybe with the AFM??

another possibility is vac leaks. but it would probably have to be a big freaking leak...

but definetly check if all your injectors are getting the proper pulsated ground from the ECU. look in the FSM for info on this, should give you a way to test.

i don't want to have you looking in the wrong direction or anything, so take these as suggestions only...
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 11:08 AM
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Sitting for 4 years... Check all your vacuum, gas, coolant etc lines. It's an old car anyways that might need new hosing and sitting for 4 years could affect that. Hell, for all you know a rat ate one of your hoses
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 11:25 AM
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OK #1 wow a TII thats been sitting for 4 years is a long time if it had a coolant leak consider the motor gone and you need a rebuild due to the fact that surface rust will produce on the bottom of the housing and when you go to turn the motor over poof 3 apex seals gone #2 you should go to your local discount auto parts and buy a cheap compression tester see around what kind of compression you get if its higher then 85 your good. #3 buy a hose kit from www.rx7store.net and replace all the vacuum hoses on the car and also replace the fuel lines that run from the firewall to the fuel rail after that replace the spark plugs if they havent alredy. and from the above mentioned from the car sitting you shouldnt get any electrical problems unless you have rats inside your car and eat at your wires which has happned to me and it aint pretty. thats really it check the computer and check the afm those are your main things when you do all that you still have problems post back ill try to help you out more.
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 11:30 AM
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Are the spark plugs new?

Do you have compression?

Check your injector plugs, make sure they are making good contact.
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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Thanks guys.
Most of the vacuum hoses were changed out already.
I'm buying new spark plugs today actually.

I just thought it was strange that the plugs to the front rotor were bone dry when I took them out, while the rears were soaked.

I'll go double check that the injectors are plugged in right.
Is there an "easy" way to check if the front rotor is getting fuel or not?

Thanks again everyone!
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