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Old 06-07-04, 10:26 PM
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I would just go all out old school, to hell with the ecu. Gp P-port with webers
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I'd love to get an ECU . . but the $ spent on that could get me used coilovers, and an SAFC with stock ECU is fine for a lowly 170rwhp power goal like mine.
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Originally posted by 91_fc
ok so how much hp do you think this will add all together?
Enough to just get a TII.
Old 06-08-04, 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by 91_fc
The point of these NA threads is to basically scrape for every little pony that can be extracted. I guess if you want you could just put her on juice and maybe to the carb conversion. that should be good for some REAL hp, and not all the small stuff. in my opinion every hp counts. plus i think its fun to think of creative ways to make/free up some hp.
Don't get me wrong, I love finding cheap/free ways to improve an engine's efficiency and hence make a bit more power. But many of those things you listed are not cheap and will have little effect on power. Some may be worthwhile mods, but they're certainly not going to get a ported engine with an exhaust to 230hp. And unless you're only interested in drag racing, a carb should not be thought of as a source of "real" hp...
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Im new to the forum? You've only been on here 1 year more than me. I dont knwo what your talking about calling me new. That just plain pisses me off. I know how to tell if something is BS or not, so no thanks. I'm also a mechanic and I work with a guy who races in the NHRA with a 7 second car. We are always talking about modifications, and the physics of removing the ports makes the car faster at high rpms. No one ever said it makes you slower in racing events, you just lose low end torque. Low end torque is not required for drag racing. Dont be pulling that "your new" **** on me. I built my TII ground up and I am willing to bet you $$ I will whoop your *** in it.
Hey slow down cowboy, you said he probably had the faster car around here wich is NOT TRUE at all. HE FAILED to prove it long time ago, and since you are not new around here, I guess you remeber it

Now you can whoop my car, cool. As soon as I finish tunning the E6K, I call you for a run
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To add one more thing about the cheap and/or free mods. Some people consider going to a carb to be cheap and easy way to add HP but in the long run how much more do you spend in the extra gas you use? Its just not worth it to me especially if your car is a daily driver. Save your money and get a real stand-alone EMS and pay to tune it once and be done with it.
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Originally posted by NZConvertible
You haven't even included manifold porting, which would definitely be required.
i forgot to put that in the list.
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Originally posted by Net Seven
Im new to the forum? You've only been on here 1 year more than me. I dont knwo what your talking about calling me new. That just plain pisses me off. I know how to tell if something is BS or not, so no thanks. I'm also a mechanic and I work with a guy who races in the NHRA with a 7 second car. We are always talking about modifications, and the physics of removing the ports makes the car faster at high rpms. No one ever said it makes you slower in racing events, you just lose low end torque. Low end torque is not required for drag racing. Dont be pulling that "your new" **** on me. I built my TII ground up and I am willing to bet you $$ I will whoop your *** in it.
???? Low end torque is not required for drag racing???

How long is the race, like 8 clicks? in a quarter mile you need low end torque to get you into your power band. If you start to hit the cars peak too late, your loosing speed.

Sounds like we have a race upcoming, I will fly out to see this . . . If you win can I have next?
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see this . . . If you win can I have next?
Shhh, he is going by me profile, wich hasn't been updated in a loooong time
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that was intended for Net 7, however, never beyond a good race

straight, circle, doesn't matter
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oh, and don't look at my sig either

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Hehe guys whats your setup? I've got a turbo swap on an 87 sport no sunroof or power options, with weight reduction done. Lots and lots of mods to the engine including my own porting which you will find if you search under my name, i put up pictures of it. hehe really what mods do you guys have? I mean why are you so sure you can beat me? You guys dont really know what ive got under the hood either.
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oh hehe and my profile... lets just say it wasnt updated since before I even decided to do a turbo swap. Car was down for 1 year.. now its up and running just got it broken in with 2k miles... ahhh driving is fun again.
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part of the fun here. I am glad you take it as good clean fun
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What I still dont get is when I ran my street ported 4 port engine without the turbo, I was still making more power than with my 6 port engine. Like I was chirping 3rd gear no problem, and 2nd gear peeling out pretty hard. Thats without the turbo... Everyone was telling the 4 port run in NA form would be real slow and would run shitty... hehe I think not
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part of the fun here. I am glad you take it as good clean fun
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Originally posted by Mr. Gadget
???? Low end torque is not required for drag racing???

How long is the race, like 8 clicks? in a quarter mile you need low end torque to get you into your power band. If you start to hit the cars peak too late, your loosing speed.

Sounds like we have a race upcoming, I will fly out to see this . . . If you win can I have next?
Actually what I am saying is power in the higher RPM range is far more important than your low RPMs. How much time do you spend close to redline compared to below 4k rpms?
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have to get to 4K and in a quarter it must happen QUICK
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Well you shouldn't be below 4k at any point in time because you should be launching at atleast 4k off the line.
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Originally posted by Mr. Gadget
have to get to 4K and in a quarter it must happen QUICK

That's why you do what I do for launching in the quarter, drop the clutch at 6k You'll never see 4k, haha.
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I guess thats why I stay from the drag strip - more of a high speed oval guy.
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You shouldnt see low rpms in the high speed oval track either....
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Even Ito kept the Aux ports on the last bridge motor he built. And the Judge is definatly someone that knows his rotary ****.
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