N/A - Turbo exhaust manifold spacer
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N/A - Turbo exhaust manifold spacer
Is that the right term for it? Anywho, I was wondering if anyone makes the exhaust spacer to allow you to bolt up a turbo exhaust manifold to an N/A 6port block?
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11-03-05, 02:34 PM
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I was told that they use 2 RB flanges and 3-4in of piping to clear the 6port lower. I was just wondering if someone had these readily available.
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11-04-05, 08:24 AM
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If your going to use the t2 lim there is only one way to do it properly. Weld in the low spot in the casting and machine it back then use the gasket and take a carbide burr to the opening to shape it. I'm a tool and die maker and am fully aware that there are other options. However using jb weld and such things is alright if you have no money or you just don't care. Problem is the na motor is set up to run with the na intakes, turbo or not. There's is always more than one way to skin a cat. You either spend the money on a spacer or pretend your time isn't worth anything and go the other route. Me, I'll make a spacer or custom manifold over reworking an intake to fit a motor it doesn't belong on.
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Uh oh. I have to join an NA/Turbo thread. I've avoided that for a couple of years successfully...
First, my situation is that I am coming to the final stages of tweaking my NA without porting in the next 6 months. I have many modifications, and the most meaningful ones for power and drivability are: High flow cat, true cool air intake, pineapple inserts, 4.3 LSD from a GTUs, lightweight wheels with slightly shorter tires, and soon some kind of fuel and ignition control.
Maybe when I finish the fuel and ignition mods, I'll be super happy and not want to change anything else for a while (170 rwhp???), but who knows. My point is that my final options seem to be the following:
Nitrous (50 HP?) + fuel pump, etc
Turbo (50 HP?) + fuel pump, intercooler, etc
I'd really like to consider both, and I think the only way I'd go with a turbo would be if I could get an affordable custom spacer or manifold so I do not have to change my current intakes. A stock TII turbo would probably be fine with me, and I'd probably want to run between 5 and 8 psi of boost to keep things as reliable as possible. As you can see, I'm not looking for "big power," so if the cost gets out of hand I'll just have to stick with what I've got or wait until I learn how to weld. A mid 13 sec car "lightly" turbo'ed would be a great final product for me.
So, Brent, do you have any ideas on a spacer or manifold that you could reproduce for a reasonable amount of money say in the $200 to $400 range? A custom manifold like the Greedy RX-8 one might be nice that drops the turbo's location down a bit.
First, my situation is that I am coming to the final stages of tweaking my NA without porting in the next 6 months. I have many modifications, and the most meaningful ones for power and drivability are: High flow cat, true cool air intake, pineapple inserts, 4.3 LSD from a GTUs, lightweight wheels with slightly shorter tires, and soon some kind of fuel and ignition control.
Maybe when I finish the fuel and ignition mods, I'll be super happy and not want to change anything else for a while (170 rwhp???), but who knows. My point is that my final options seem to be the following:
Nitrous (50 HP?) + fuel pump, etc
Turbo (50 HP?) + fuel pump, intercooler, etc
I'd really like to consider both, and I think the only way I'd go with a turbo would be if I could get an affordable custom spacer or manifold so I do not have to change my current intakes. A stock TII turbo would probably be fine with me, and I'd probably want to run between 5 and 8 psi of boost to keep things as reliable as possible. As you can see, I'm not looking for "big power," so if the cost gets out of hand I'll just have to stick with what I've got or wait until I learn how to weld. A mid 13 sec car "lightly" turbo'ed would be a great final product for me.
So, Brent, do you have any ideas on a spacer or manifold that you could reproduce for a reasonable amount of money say in the $200 to $400 range? A custom manifold like the Greedy RX-8 one might be nice that drops the turbo's location down a bit.
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11-04-05, 06:26 PM
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Not a problem. If you want it it stainless it would cost a bit more but I can build a mild steel one for about $250 cdn plus shipping. I should have a firm price in the next week or so. I'm picking up my turbo on sun, then I'll be building mine. I'll probably just build the whole manifold, the only reason I don't have an exact price right now is because I'm concerned that the laser cutting may have gone up. They supply the steel. I haven't needed to cut any flanges for a while since I got a bunch made last year.
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$250!!!
Hell, I'll make you one for $100 US, shipping included.
But seriously, don't bother with the spacer. Make, or have made, a custom manifold. The spacer eliminates one problem while creating several others.
Hell, I'll make you one for $100 US, shipping included.
But seriously, don't bother with the spacer. Make, or have made, a custom manifold. The spacer eliminates one problem while creating several others.
11-07-05, 12:20 PM
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I like how "Making the manifold fit on a 6 port motor" is so much more work/ trouble. Coming from someone who works in a machine shop that is not very becoming of your skills as a MAchinist. I have worked around a machine shop aswell and adapting the T2 manifold to fit is a piece of cake, WITH professional looking results.! Anyone with a wire fed welder can make the install look very professional and function well.
13bToy if you do decide to go spacer, buy two exhaust flanges from Racing beat, then go to a local exhaust shop have them cut the appropriate length pipe (stainless if you can afford it (but at what Brent is asking price you would still come out cheaper this way) and have them weld it up. I made 3 spacers myself about a year ago and sold them here on the forum, (BTW I sold mine for $150 + 23 shipp) and they all functioned well. Personally I like the look of the T2 manifold and you do not have to deal with the Heat Soak created by the Overlapping of the intercooler piping/ all your pipe running over the turbo iteslf....... my $.02
13bToy if you do decide to go spacer, buy two exhaust flanges from Racing beat, then go to a local exhaust shop have them cut the appropriate length pipe (stainless if you can afford it (but at what Brent is asking price you would still come out cheaper this way) and have them weld it up. I made 3 spacers myself about a year ago and sold them here on the forum, (BTW I sold mine for $150 + 23 shipp) and they all functioned well. Personally I like the look of the T2 manifold and you do not have to deal with the Heat Soak created by the Overlapping of the intercooler piping/ all your pipe running over the turbo iteslf....... my $.02
11-07-05, 03:59 PM
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Uh oh. I have to join an NA/Turbo thread. I've avoided that for a couple of years successfully...
First, my situation is that I am coming to the final stages of tweaking my NA without porting in the next 6 months. I have many modifications, and the most meaningful ones for power and drivability are: High flow cat, true cool air intake, pineapple inserts, 4.3 LSD from a GTUs, lightweight wheels with slightly shorter tires, and soon some kind of fuel and ignition control.
Maybe when I finish the fuel and ignition mods, I'll be super happy and not want to change anything else for a while (170 rwhp???), but who knows. My point is that my final options seem to be the following:
Nitrous (50 HP?) + fuel pump, etc
Turbo (50 HP?) + fuel pump, intercooler, etc
I'd really like to consider both, and I think the only way I'd go with a turbo would be if I could get an affordable custom spacer or manifold so I do not have to change my current intakes. A stock TII turbo would probably be fine with me, and I'd probably want to run between 5 and 8 psi of boost to keep things as reliable as possible. As you can see, I'm not looking for "big power," so if the cost gets out of hand I'll just have to stick with what I've got or wait until I learn how to weld. A mid 13 sec car "lightly" turbo'ed would be a great final product for me.
So, Brent, do you have any ideas on a spacer or manifold that you could reproduce for a reasonable amount of money say in the $200 to $400 range? A custom manifold like the Greedy RX-8 one might be nice that drops the turbo's location down a bit.
First, my situation is that I am coming to the final stages of tweaking my NA without porting in the next 6 months. I have many modifications, and the most meaningful ones for power and drivability are: High flow cat, true cool air intake, pineapple inserts, 4.3 LSD from a GTUs, lightweight wheels with slightly shorter tires, and soon some kind of fuel and ignition control.
Maybe when I finish the fuel and ignition mods, I'll be super happy and not want to change anything else for a while (170 rwhp???), but who knows. My point is that my final options seem to be the following:
Nitrous (50 HP?) + fuel pump, etc
Turbo (50 HP?) + fuel pump, intercooler, etc
I'd really like to consider both, and I think the only way I'd go with a turbo would be if I could get an affordable custom spacer or manifold so I do not have to change my current intakes. A stock TII turbo would probably be fine with me, and I'd probably want to run between 5 and 8 psi of boost to keep things as reliable as possible. As you can see, I'm not looking for "big power," so if the cost gets out of hand I'll just have to stick with what I've got or wait until I learn how to weld. A mid 13 sec car "lightly" turbo'ed would be a great final product for me.
So, Brent, do you have any ideas on a spacer or manifold that you could reproduce for a reasonable amount of money say in the $200 to $400 range? A custom manifold like the Greedy RX-8 one might be nice that drops the turbo's location down a bit.
Yay for nitrous!
11-07-05, 04:13 PM
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nitrous please!
if you only want an extra 50 hp. I've done a lot of reading and reseach and found and read that 50shot of nitrous (dry) makes about 60wrhp/60ft-lb.
don't plan on shooting anymore then a 50 shot with a dry system. if you want more go with a wet. You can go up to a 75shot which i beleive can get you probably 80+whp. again if you want more then you have to get more and more electronical stuff to controll the nitrous better and a timing retard system to retard timing when you are shooting.
I'm goin to be testing nitrous on my GTUs sometime soon because im still porting my intakemanifolds and removing my 6pi.(extra manifolds).
Hoping to get around 175+whp with safc2 and around 250whp with a 75 shot
if you only want an extra 50 hp. I've done a lot of reading and reseach and found and read that 50shot of nitrous (dry) makes about 60wrhp/60ft-lb.
don't plan on shooting anymore then a 50 shot with a dry system. if you want more go with a wet. You can go up to a 75shot which i beleive can get you probably 80+whp. again if you want more then you have to get more and more electronical stuff to controll the nitrous better and a timing retard system to retard timing when you are shooting.
I'm goin to be testing nitrous on my GTUs sometime soon because im still porting my intakemanifolds and removing my 6pi.(extra manifolds).
Hoping to get around 175+whp with safc2 and around 250whp with a 75 shot
11-07-05, 04:30 PM
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nitrous please!
if you only want an extra 50 hp. I've done a lot of reading and reseach and found and read that 50shot of nitrous (dry) makes about 60wrhp/60ft-lb.
don't plan on shooting anymore then a 50 shot with a dry system. if you want more go with a wet. You can go up to a 75shot which i beleive can get you probably 80+whp. again if you want more then you have to get more and more electronical stuff to controll the nitrous better and a timing retard system to retard timing when you are shooting.
I'm goin to be testing nitrous on my GTUs sometime soon because im still porting my intakemanifolds and removing my 6pi.(extra manifolds).
Hoping to get around 175+whp with safc2 and around 250whp with a 75 shot
if you only want an extra 50 hp. I've done a lot of reading and reseach and found and read that 50shot of nitrous (dry) makes about 60wrhp/60ft-lb.
don't plan on shooting anymore then a 50 shot with a dry system. if you want more go with a wet. You can go up to a 75shot which i beleive can get you probably 80+whp. again if you want more then you have to get more and more electronical stuff to controll the nitrous better and a timing retard system to retard timing when you are shooting.
I'm goin to be testing nitrous on my GTUs sometime soon because im still porting my intakemanifolds and removing my 6pi.(extra manifolds).
Hoping to get around 175+whp with safc2 and around 250whp with a 75 shot
Question for anyone: Do window switches and **** work on an FC? For nitrous and such.
Thats one fine looking RX-7 you have there btw.
11-07-05, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RRTEC
I like how "Making the manifold fit on a 6 port motor" is so much more work/ trouble. Coming from someone who works in a machine shop that is not very becoming of your skills as a MAchinist. I have worked around a machine shop aswell and adapting the T2 manifold to fit is a piece of cake, WITH professional looking results.! Anyone with a wire fed welder can make the install look very professional and function well.
13bToy if you do decide to go spacer, buy two exhaust flanges from Racing beat, then go to a local exhaust shop have them cut the appropriate length pipe (stainless if you can afford it (but at what Brent is asking price you would still come out cheaper this way) and have them weld it up. I made 3 spacers myself about a year ago and sold them here on the forum, (BTW I sold mine for $150 + 23 shipp) and they all functioned well. Personally I like the look of the T2 manifold and you do not have to deal with the Heat Soak created by the Overlapping of the intercooler piping/ all your pipe running over the turbo iteslf....... my $.02
13bToy if you do decide to go spacer, buy two exhaust flanges from Racing beat, then go to a local exhaust shop have them cut the appropriate length pipe (stainless if you can afford it (but at what Brent is asking price you would still come out cheaper this way) and have them weld it up. I made 3 spacers myself about a year ago and sold them here on the forum, (BTW I sold mine for $150 + 23 shipp) and they all functioned well. Personally I like the look of the T2 manifold and you do not have to deal with the Heat Soak created by the Overlapping of the intercooler piping/ all your pipe running over the turbo iteslf....... my $.02
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
$250!!!
Hell, I'll make you one for $100 US, shipping included.
But seriously, don't bother with the spacer. Make, or have made, a custom manifold. The spacer eliminates one problem while creating several others.
Hell, I'll make you one for $100 US, shipping included.
But seriously, don't bother with the spacer. Make, or have made, a custom manifold. The spacer eliminates one problem while creating several others.
Brent
ps. I'm not making a spacer for my car. I was simply going to use mine to mock up a spacer for anyone that wants one. I'm making a polished stainless manifold for mine. I'll post pics as soon as it's done. I've already got all the material, I just need to find time. I'll also post pics of my downpipe. I'm really not looking to start vendetta's with anyone. If you guys are happy with mig welded manifolds or spacers so be it. I'm just overly fussy I guess. Kinda wish I wasn't some times but oh well. Ciao for now.
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11-08-05, 03:50 PM
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My welding is much improved from those 4 year old pictures. If I was making one for sale, I'd spend the extra time and TIG it together instead of using the flux core...
Seriously, what's wrong with MIG? It's a bloody exhaust manifold, not the space shuttle.
At any rate, spacers are a stop-gap measure anyway. I used one originally because it was quick and easy. It turned out to be easy, but a pain in the *** due to the clearance issues it caused. Making a custom manifold is only slightly more difficult then the spacer, but the results are much more worth it.
I could also point out the obvious that there's plenty of other fabrication needed for an NA turbo project besides the spacer....and if you have to ask...
Seriously, what's wrong with MIG? It's a bloody exhaust manifold, not the space shuttle.
At any rate, spacers are a stop-gap measure anyway. I used one originally because it was quick and easy. It turned out to be easy, but a pain in the *** due to the clearance issues it caused. Making a custom manifold is only slightly more difficult then the spacer, but the results are much more worth it.
I could also point out the obvious that there's plenty of other fabrication needed for an NA turbo project besides the spacer....and if you have to ask...
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Considering you have no idea who I am or the caliber of my work, you seem to make an awful lot of assumptions. I may be new to the world of turbo's, however I'm far from new when it comes to fabrication of any kind. Obviously it's not much extra work to make a manifold, I was simply responding to a request. The price will probably be substansially less than $250 I just hate to say a low # then have to up it and everyone gets pissed off. I don't care who you are you can't turn a decent profit on a manifold or spacer for a $100. I'm trying to run a business, not a charity. I work in a large tool room(mills,lathes,grinders,presses,plasma cutters etc...) I have a 275amp ac/dc tig welder,drill press,belt sander,compressor,hoist, etc... at home. I also have access to brake presses and other equipment. Long story short, I will post pics when they're ready. Don't take it the wrong way, I really appreciate your input and knowledge of turbo charging, I just don't like people trying to school me on fabricating when I've been doing it for 10 yrs.
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There are a few of us who are the innovative people. Aaron pioneered the use of plates (about 4yrs ago) and installation of a turbo at a reasonable price. He wouldn't make one for me, so I did it myself. It is something anybody can have done for less than $60.
True S5 turbo. Exhaust plate only with a 3rd gen manifold (no clearances issues)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ust_spacer.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...r/P6190006.jpg
No T2 manifold here! All S5!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...port_turbo.jpg
12.76 1/4 mile 108 MPH..... $1200 invested + EMS
True S5 turbo. Exhaust plate only with a 3rd gen manifold (no clearances issues)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ust_spacer.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...r/P6190006.jpg
No T2 manifold here! All S5!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...port_turbo.jpg
12.76 1/4 mile 108 MPH..... $1200 invested + EMS
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That sounds personal.LOL. A little protective are we? I realize there are ways of doing things on a budget. Never said there wasn't. This is really starting to be a waste of time. I like fabrcating things from scratch. Other people have other ways of doing things. My hat goes off to them. Aaron seems like a smart guy. I'm glad to see he's got your respect. As much as you like your way, I like mine. My apoligies if I started a pissing contest.
Brent
P.S. Congrats on the 1/4 time. That's awesome.
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P.S. Congrats on the 1/4 time. That's awesome.
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Originally Posted by brent clement
Considering you have no idea who I am or the caliber of my work, you seem to make an awful lot of assumptions.
Topics like this are a little amusing, in a sad sort of way. People who need to ask for help with the spacer clearly have no hope in finishing the rest of the project. Hence I'm never too keen on making spacers available. But when I saw $250, I just HAD to speak up.
Not that it really matters anyway, since once this person sees the fabrication required I doubt the project will get off the ground. Nothing against the original poster, but that seems to be the pattern I have seen over the last 4-5 years.
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But when I saw $250, I just HAD to speak up.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
My quote about having to ask about spacers was directed at the original poster of the thrad, not you. I should have quoted his text to make that clear.
Topics like this are a little amusing, in a sad sort of way. People who need to ask for help with the spacer clearly have no hope in finishing the rest of the project. Hence I'm never too keen on making spacers available. But when I saw $250, I just HAD to speak up. Not that it really matters anyway, since once this person sees the fabrication required I doubt the project will get off the ground. Nothing against the original poster, but that seems to be the pattern I have seen over the last 4-5 years.
Topics like this are a little amusing, in a sad sort of way. People who need to ask for help with the spacer clearly have no hope in finishing the rest of the project. Hence I'm never too keen on making spacers available. But when I saw $250, I just HAD to speak up.
Not that it really matters anyway, since once this person sees the fabrication required I doubt the project will get off the ground. Nothing against the original poster, but that seems to be the pattern I have seen over the last 4-5 years.I couldn't agree with you more.
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