fc3s.org

Well, I went over my 1000th post replying to some of the threads I started, but I still wanted to follow suit, and post my thoughts of things for my landmark post as others have in the past.

I have been on this forum since March of 2001, and over that time have met alot of cool people, and have read from others that I think should find another hobby. In any case, I have had a pretty good time for most of it. Over the past year though I have noticed quite a change in tone in alot of peoples posts. Where people would come before and ask any question they wanted to without being flamed, now people are killed for just asking a simple question. Instead of answering their question now, people will waste another 5-10 posts yelling at the guy or girl that might have never used a forum before and doesn't know the car at all. Maybe even just buying it! It just seems to have gotten alot more out of control around here, and I personally don't blame the moderators. There are only a handful of moderators on this section (the only one I go to) and they can't possibly read the thousands of messages that are posted here daily. They don't get paid for it, and they do it out of enjoyment (I guess ) Anyway, I think that more moderators should be added to try to curtail some of the things are are said here and it would be a better place for all the learn and share their stories.

I started my website in 1999 with the purpose of helping others to learn about their FC and to help them with doing various things to their FC's in form of modifications and installation of parts. I still strive to do the same today as I did then. I spend hours a day answering emails from people who have questions about their cars. I constantly try to make it easier to own an FC without having the headaches we used to have before the internet blew up and places like this were available for other the learn. The way I feel about it is this. When I first got my 86 Sport in 1995, I didn't have a clue. Through help from others, including the email lists and the local clubs, I learned how it worked. Now I want to be the one to help others who are starting where I did, buying a car you know nothing about.

Quite honestly if I had bought my car, and come here to ask questions and everyone jumped down my *** about "why I didn't search" and "If I have to ask, I can't afford it" I would have left and never returned. It really bums me out to see people here that started out somewhere to once just get all over people like they know everything. I have been doing crap with the cars for over 7 years now, and I still learn new things all the time. There are maybe a handful of people (if that) that I know of that I would say know more than just about anyone else regarding FC's. Most of them are not on this forum. Why is that do you think? I know which email lists they reside, and their knowledge is a base platform for others to stand on and learn. With an adjusted atmosphere here, alot of the more senior FC members would probably share that information here as well. The only people that can do that is the visitors here. If you guys just want to flame anyone that comes here new, people won't come, and people will leave. That isn't the way to grow a community. That is the way to destroy it.

Anyway, I have rambled long enough, if you even read this far. I will continue to be a part of the rotary community, and continue to be a part of all of the local clubs and the email lists, but unfortunately I don't feel that I can contribute here anymore with the current tone of things. For those of you that I am friends with and I have become friends with over my time here, you all know where I am and how to call me or email me. For those of you that I have talked to here through PM's or posts, I wish you all the best. I am not going anywhere, I just can't be a part of a place that has become so hostile to others for no reason other than they are new.

Everyone have a great holiday season, and I will see you all around.

(BTW, I will still be here for a few more days to wrap up my other posts that I started to answer more questions and cintribute to those, but then I will be unsubscribing. Thanks)

Bridgeported

Well, sorry to hear you will be leaving the forum. Your constant help and advice was invaluable to many users on here, including myself.

BDoty311

Damn man that was deep. It sad to see a member leave because they are tired of other peoples BS. I think we can all learn something from this post, even if it is just to take it down a notch.

hayas-fc

yeah, i feel the same, i am a new member and it really bums me that people of the same love and passion try to put the other ones down just so the can feel "superior". i totally agree dave, thanx for haveing the ***** to say it...

keegun

Erik

Your site was the first one I found back in 99 when I got my first FC!

Good luck with everything Dave...you've been a great contributor to the rotary community

Rotary Racer

I agree with you and I am sorry to see you go. You bring a lot of good and valuable 411 to the rotary community. Rock on bro and catch you on the flip side.

hayas-fc

BTW, i really appreciate everything you have done for this forum, i havent been here long, but i have read alot of your posts, it sad you have to leave, but i understand.

p.s. you will be hearing from me soon b/c i want one of those NICE CF hoods you are selling now, good job!

Scott 89t2

Hey what does this have to do with FC's ? dam you newbie search for the rules before you post stuff in this section

o well I'll see you on the list , and hopefully next sept. and we'll talk in a few weeks about shiping


So do I need a new hobby

PS I think your last 200 posts were all trying to sell stuff anyways

deltr0n`

hey dave dont forget about the euro turn signals, i still want a pair from your friend in germany!

HeavyFoot86

Dave man, I've truely valued the information you've made available to us newbies in the FC world. I visit your website often, especially when I'm not in the mood for the aformentioned BS on this forum. You've really helped me out and I just want to thank you for your contributions.

Sad to see you leave-
Chris

fc3s.org

Thanks for the kind words guys. I may at some point return and see what things are like, but time will have to tell. I'm glad to see that my opinions aren't alone either. You guys should do something about it, weather it's writing to the moderators off the forum to voice your opinions, or ideas better yet. You guys are what makes this forum work. Without the members, there is no forum, and there is no advertising, rendering it useless. You guys make this forum run. Don't underestimate yourselves. You can all contribute to making it a better place. The moderators are there to help you, give them ideas how.

Scott, you are still an ***

*wondering what that "Delete" button does next to his membership on the email list*

Rob XX 7

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Well put, I just started browsing this forum and noticed a trend, your words confirm it.

See you on the other side hopefully and good luck with your business ventures.

Scott 89t2

2nd gen mods:

dcfc3s Last Post: 11-22-02 04:09 PM (3 weeks ago)

I still don't know who mazdamanda is LOL 312 posts total. last one yesterday but wasn't in this section... dam search is turned off... can't check for last post in here.

ragtop. I think he's posting again LOL haven't seen him in a long time.

hmm there used to be a forth??. maybe they are hiring

poor college student

damn that sucks.... i guess i never talked to you or anything, but i always read your posts and stuff, and they always have some sort of useful information. Sorry to see you go, good luck with all your cf sales when i get money, i'll be gettin' some... best wishes to you, and happy holidays to you too

jreynish

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Well fc3s.org


Thank you for your contribution i am also a relatively a new memeber and felt quite burned by being flamed by asking simply questions! I know what you mean! IF you don't mind what do you mean by email lists? PM me if you could. As I also have some ideas on manufacturing things for TII's!

Snrub

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I really hate to see another knowledgable person leave! We're losing a lot of knowledge! If this continues the forum will become impotent.

There are two problems:
1. Newbies can't get the info, thus they leave.
2. Experts are sick of the same questions and the fighting, thus they leave.

I believe the solution is to make a ultra comprehensive archieve of problems and solutions. This way the newbies get their basic info and the experts get to spend their time on interesting stuff. What I'm refering to is more in the spirit of what Ted did then the archieve here. Ted's page doesn't go nearly far enough. Problem is no one wants to spend the time to do it.

I think the solution is for anyone and everyone to do write-ups on anything they know. People can then sort through the solutions and determine which one they like to get their info. If/when things get cluttered, a ranking system could eliminate the lesser ones. If you don't like a writeup you can make your own, even cutting and pasting other people's work (giving credit). Everyone can contribute. If you're a newbie and you only know how to change the oil, then that's what you'd contribute. So many write-ups written by people with expertise are lacking in some areas. After a someone has tackled the problem, I believe even a newbie could improve the write-up.

Knowlegde is constantly lost or not given. If we can create something like this then mostly complicated problems or problems with wierd twists will need to be posted. That's not to say the forum will not have lots of posts, but we can make it so people need to post less often. I hate trying to find out how to do stuff that could have been simply explained in writeup.

banzaitoyota

Dave, I thank you for all the input and advice. I wouldn't be where I am without you. I too get tired of the bickering, but it is annoying to see 5-7 " how do I turbo my NA?" posts when a real technical question gets ignored and due to the volume is lost in traffic.

ZachSpazz

I'm quite bummed out by this news, but Dave brings up some excellent points. I have noticed that people are more inclined to flame newbies who have somewhat harebrained schemes (airpump as a supercharger, run 13's N/A, etc.). There's also a certain amount of rudeness applied to a newbie when he asks a common question, by being rude and responding "SEARCH!", you only serve to alienate that person. I agree the archives need to be edited, but we could also set up a FAQ sticky that would explain all the myriad 2nd Gen questions. VW Vortex does this and so do many other websites.

Anyways, rock on! Let me know what the main E-mail RX-7 newsgroups are; I'd like to get in on them.

Zach

redninja

Well I'm sad to see you go. I don't know you although I know you're the guy selling the CF hoods (nice) because I JUST started looking at the forums this week. I love FC's and am just getting into them and learning a lot. I hope I get to talk to you sometime and explain some stuff to me. Probably a nightmare for you .

Anyways, good luck to you.

Xentrix

If a newbie posts on something I know I try to help out. If I remember a thread about it I'll try to post that too.

Anyways it sucks that you're leaving. I remember when your site was in (i think) sport compact car

fc3s.org

Again, thanks for the words guys. There were some good points brought up.

On the repeat posts, I have said for years now that if anyone has a write-up (doesn't even have to have pics) and they want to archive it, send it to me and I'll put it on my website. I have a few write-ups on how to do stuff from other members of the community, and I would be more than happy to add anything someone might come up with. I always give credit where credit is due as well.

On the questions about the email lists, one of them which is pretty broad in experience range is website list, which used to be the teamfc3s list. I am the owner of the list, and I have some very experienced moderators on the list as well to keep any fighting down to basically nothing. There are arguments, but they are usually over opinions on something but are still kept within a dull roar and are always done respectfully. Violations will get you removed from the list, and all of the moderators and myself have the authority to do so.

Here is a link to more info on joining that list.

http://www.fc3s.org/email/email_list.html

Wankel7

Sorry to see you leave. Your raise many good points that are factual.

Hope it isn't a downward trend of forum.

Be sure to check back. Maybe things will change.

Have fun with your spare time!

James

Rotorific

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A downward trend....thats where this forum is going. I remember when i joined this forum around october of 2000 and it was great people were nice and being a newbie was not that bad. People treated others with respect, now its just the older newbies flaming the newer newbies because they got flamed when they came on. Stupid. Peace out DAVE you are the man without a doubt i hope nothing but the best for you. -Gabe

chris-reedtn

Im sure that dale is very busy and cant always be on here.

MazdaManda? Who? yea..........

Well Dave it sucks to see you going. Thanks for all the info and also the fast email responces on products, if all other business replied as fast as you i wouldnt be so pissed off all the time!

I also have notice some changing in the forum, I do not tend to get on here quite as much anymore (Keep the applaus down) But Hopefully it my moral will go back up as people read what you have said and chance a bit,

Yes half the Use search button remarks are probably from me, but to defend my self and many others We say this because people may no know its even there, and also because so many people have asked the same question over and over, The newbie questions are an example as well as what does it take to make my car shoot flames and how to turbo an N/A when there is a sticky holding up at the top showing people the exact info that they may need.. I know that i made some bad posts when i first started on my old name (R.I.P) But im glad that people told me how to search and Im glad on may occasions that i did search. Because people telling me to instead of waiting for someone to put in the right info.

PEACE-

-Chris

Rx-7Addict

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Dave,

it is sad to see you leave. I agree that there have been some asses with the wrong attitude, but I would not leave. I enjoy talking to people, learning about RX-7s, and trying to help people. I admit, I have gotten mad when, for the 4000th time, newbies ask a simple question, but I try not to.

Like you, I realize that I was not born knowing lots about RX-7s and FCs. If you would of asked me 5 years ago what an FC was I would be like .

Its a shame that you are leaving because of this, but I guess you can do whatever you wont and no one will stop you. I tend to overlook the flaws of this forum, but maybe they bother you more. WHen someone is rude, I try to go against them, not the newbie. I see the rude person typically at fault, because how should the newbie know?

i do not feel that this forum really has a rep for ******** (every forum has them) but it really does repel new people. And everyone was a new member at one time (ive been on here for less than a year and a half) so them being rude really hurts the forum.

Best of luck in what you do.

-scott