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Old Jul 27, 2016 | 03:14 PM
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premixing is better anyways, since the lubrication is more adequately controlled and more evenly distributed.

in the decade i've been premixing i still have put less effort into mixing fuel than by modifying the system to use fresh 2 stroke oil from a reservoir.
Old Jul 27, 2016 | 03:20 PM
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What's the common consensus on premixing while keeping the OMP? A rotary friend of mine swears by adding an innocent of two-stroke into their gas tank to help bolster lubrication.
Old Jul 27, 2016 | 03:29 PM
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i don't much see the point of doing both, i usually tell people to just pick one or the other.
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Well... Perhaps You're Spraying an NA up to Stupid HP like 5 or 600 Hp with Nitrous? A Fluoro-dated lubricant designed to avoid creep under extreme conditions (Water Displacement formula #40 - Fluoridated Whale Oil) might help with Seal Preservation when Off-Throttle.

Especially when using a Water-Methanol Spray Injection for Knock Retarding & Manifold/Exhaust Temp Mitigation?

What would be wrong with a Special Spritz for the Ladies Bidet? Surely after a Hard Pull, I might want my Girl Nicely Lubed & Sweet Smelling... I get a Better Response with WD-40 than Castrol 20-50... That's what my "Re-Search" Tells Me through the High-Band...

What Would You Want for Your Girl? :P

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Well... Perhaps You're Spraying an NA up to Stupid HP like 5 or 600 Hp with Nitrous? A Fluoro-dated lubricant designed to avoid creep under extreme conditions (Water Displacement formula #40 - Fluoridated Whale Oil) might help with Seal Preservation when Off-Throttle.

Especially when using a Water-Methanol Spray Injection for Knock Retarding & Manifold/Exhaust Temp Mitigation?

What would be wrong with a Special Spritz for the Ladies Bidet? Surely after a Hard Pull, I might want my Girl Nicely Lubed & Sweet Smelling... I get a Better Response with WD-40 than Castrol 20-50... That's what my "Re-Search" Tells Me through the High-Band...

What Would You Want for Your Girl? :P
I'm gonna answer though I don't know why as the response will probably be some incoherent drivel that is meant to sound super intelligent. Anyway here goes. Might I suggest this Idemitsu premix: Premix at Idemitsu Lubricants America Corporation. It was developed specifically for the rotary. Idemitsu oils were used in the LeMans winning 787B and countless other rotary powered race cars. If it's good enough for them it should suffice for your 500 or 600hp NOS injected rotary. Though WD-40 is a wonderful product I would dare say even Walmart's Super Tech premix would fare better in the combustion chamber since that's where it's designed to be.
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Perhaps... Anyone can quote a Corporate Product that is Just as "Tried & True" as the Failure of the S4, S5, S6 & WTF-ever the Renesis is called... It's Called F@ckin' Failure!

It's the Lube Stupid!

I would "Simply" have extra taps at the Existing Banjo Fittings & trigger a Pressurized Pulse of a Normal Can of WD-40 whenever the Clutch is Depressed. Simple & Easy that Everyone Could Do. How Many Millions of $'s would Mazda have Saved?

How about You! Yourself... How many rebuilds could have Never-Happened?

What? Fluoridated Whale Oil?

Summon the Ghost of Ahab if You Dare! Aargh! Ye Damned Whale!

Thar She Blows!

What happened to the Rotary Soul?

Harpooned by Nay-Sayers & Doubting Thomases!

Mr. Starbuck!

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Ye Damned Whale!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rare-whit...090333481.html
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I Think Girl-Friend is Better!

What about U?!? What would You rather Gamble On? a 20$ & 2 hour Fix?

What's that Smell Down in the Basement?

Why? Why?

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Don't Shoot Me... I'm Just a Messenger of the Rotary Gods...

It's Very Clear Where the Magic Resides...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Aa...ature=youtu.be
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Originally Posted by ramses666
Perhaps... Anyone can quote a Corporate Product that is Just as "Tried & True" as the Failure of the S4, S5, S6 & WTF-ever the Renesis is called... It's Called F@ckin' Failure!
I think you need to go back and do some research there bud. I wouldn't call the S4 and S5 failures. The S6's problems were due mostly to an overly complex vacuum/soleniod control system( which was fixed on the S7 we never got) for the turbos and a barely adequate cooling system. The Renesis yes was due to Mazda reducing the amount of oil injected to clean up emissions and it cost them alot of motors.

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It's the Lube Stupid!
What is your deal anyway? I give you a product and I get attacked and called stupid.


Originally Posted by ramses666
I would "Simply" have extra taps at the Existing Banjo Fittings & trigger a Pressurized Pulse of a Normal Can of WD-40 whenever the Clutch is Depressed. Simple & Easy that Everyone Could Do. How Many Millions of $'s would Mazda have Saved?

How about You! Yourself... How many rebuilds could have Never-Happened?

First rebuild was from carbon lock. P.O. didn't drive hard enough. Second was from a 3 piece apex seal trying to roll out of the groove at about 150k mi. Can't prove either was due to lack of oil.
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Where Did it All Go Wrong?


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Ask Tony Montana... You Wanna Play Games? Ok!

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I Warned You!

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BEWARE of SACRED DOGMA!

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Old Jul 27, 2016 | 07:37 PM
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Ask Tony Montana... You Wanna Play Games? Ok!

Al Pacino Scarface Say Hello to my Little Friend - YouTube
And we're back to drivel.

I think's it's about now that someone questions you about your attempts to reinvent the wheel, you pull the sensitive-squirrel card, get offended and become condescending and rude, and then threaten to leave.... And everyone here breathes a sigh of relief and hope it actually happens.

But it doesn't.

You start a new thread, rambling about the same subject as the last one you destroyed, claiming superior intellect and suggesting "new" ideas that have been tried for decades.



There are still Saturns available.
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Here "IT" is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_oil

It's Histerical & Not My Fault... I'm Offering a Simple Fix for Basically "Nothing"

WTF is there to Object to? Comments? Opinions? Silly Statements? Sad but True Stories of Rotary Failures?

I've Had My Say... What Do You Think? Stupid? Rotarded? Brilliantly Deviant? Worth Thinking About?
Old Jul 27, 2016 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ramses666
WTF is there to Object to?
Waste of bandwidth.
Degrades appearance of forum.
Lowers intelligence level of those reading your threads.
Causes migraines to those attempting to understand your nonsense.



I honestly equate it to attempting to having a conversation with a raving diralect with ADD.

Do you not clue in when everyone asks what you're talking about? No one finds you funny.

Is this your vernacular? How do you get through everyday conversation?
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Ok... Here's what I might Use... as a Weird Scientist, I took the Time to Track down the appropriate Approved Chemical for the Exact Application - Just in Case you "Just don't Believe in Science" or that I just "Make Stuff Up Out of No-Where"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Methyltetrahydrofuran
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Ok... Here's what I might Use... as a Weird Scientist, I took the Time to Track down the appropriate Approved Chemical for the Exact Application - Just in Case you "Just don't Believe in Science" or that I just "Make Stuff Up Out of No-Where"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Methyltetrahydrofuran
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go ahead and inject WD-40, lemme know how it goes.
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I'll "Self-Moderate" my Input here for the Night with this Homage to Those that are Better than Myself...

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I don't really want to offend, but I can only guess that you often post while stoned. It would account for the incoherence, mixed with what probably seem like clever turns of phrase and associations of ideas but often seem like gibberish to everyone else, and the obsession with strange and impractical ideas.
There's a pretty established literature right here on RX7Club on how to make power in these cars. NA's can make more, but frankly, even 200hp, without internal mods (at the very least removing the exhaust port diffusers) and maximizing intake and exhaust flow, is a long reach, especially to get to 200 rwhp, as opposed to bhp. If staying rotary, there's turbocharging (or supercharging). Or swap a 6 or V8 in, or turbo 4. The reason these are the stock answers is because they work and tend to deliver the most bang for the buck. Even a Renesis is a hugely complex swap, a custom oil pan is needed to clear the rack, and the electronics are complex. They seem to be exceedingly rare swap choices - possibly in part because in addition to the complexity of the electronics to control the Reni, as Rotary Evolution pointed out, the Reni has been a step backward from the S4 and S5 NA in terms of reliability/durability.

Injecting WD-40 - that's basically solvent with tiny amounts of lubricant. I can't see that doing a lot positive for motor longevity. Premix, either supplementing (I do this when I track the car, since it sees an appreciable amount of over 8500rpm running), or replacing the factory OMP is another of those easy and proven effective solutions.

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I don't really want to offend, but I can only guess that you often post while stoned. It would account for the incoherence, mixed with what probably seem like clever turns of phrase and associations of ideas but often seem like gibberish to everyone else, and the obsession with strange and impractical ideas.
Pretty sure that's not it.
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