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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 07:49 PM
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Misfiring T2?

Hey, my TII seems to misfire or something, when I get at high revs, like 5500+ in 2nd, and then it normally get's worse in 3rd, 4th, and 5th. It really cuts back on acceleration, and you can feel the whole car jut back, it's like i kept letting go, then slamming on the gas pedal, but makes a huge bang. I changed the spark plugs on the weekend and nothing changed, could it be the coils? Or do you guys know of any other problems with these symptoms?

Also, say I go drive it around for about 10 minutes, then i shut it off, and go to start it back up in anywhere from 5-30 minutes, it has a real ahrd time starting up. I have a fuel cut switch, which I use to turn the car off, and when I try to restart the car like I said above, I turn the key, with the switch on, then it hesitates, so i flick the switch off, still holding the key, then it starts up, and I flick the switch on quick. This is starting it from neutral, and yes, I have tried starting it with the switch off, but I get no luck, same type things happen.

Could these two problems be related, I am thinking it's maybe the coils? Or does anyone else know, I talked to a friend with an FD, and he says he had the same problem, he said it shouldn't be the injectors or the fuel, and another friend with an FD, when he was driving behind me, said when ever the car "misfires" or kicks out, he see's little blue flames, so I don't think it would be fuel, coz blue flames = running rich? i think, thanks for all the help.

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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 07:58 PM
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Just out of curiosity,can you "feather" the gas pedal to let's say 5500 and no problem? How about if your steady in 3rd @ 4500 and floor it. Will it kick back? Just trying to see if it's under pressure when this happens, or it's just rpm related. Had a similar problem in '89TII. Would kick back under heavy acceleration, but I could go 80/90 as long as I babied the throttle. Checked fuel pressure, wires, spark, filter, etc. Turned out to be a sticking/cracked seal. It didn't show up on a compression test.
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 08:00 PM
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Just out of curiosity,can you "feather" the gas pedal to let's say 5500 and no problem? How about if your steady in 3rd @ 4500 and floor it. Will it kick back? Just trying to see if it's under pressure when this happens, or it's just rpm related. Had a similar problem in '89TII. Would kick back under heavy acceleration, but I could go 80/90 as long as I babied the throttle. Checked fuel pressure, wires, spark, filter, ecu, injectors,etc. Turned out to be a sticking/cracked seal. It didn't show up on a compression test.
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 08:04 PM
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Yes, I can feather the gas pedal, and get up to higher speeds, It is when I pound on the gas this happens.
Turned out to be a sticking/cracked seal. It didn't show up on a compression test.
Ouch, this sounds expenesive. Is it?
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 10:05 PM
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 10:46 PM
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Thats the exact same problem I'm having in my car! I'm gonna put some 750's in soon and i hope it will help. I really wanna know what this is too!
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 10:48 PM
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If it is seal failure, then yes it is expensive and i hope its not, otherwise i'm f'd!
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 10:51 PM
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Turbonut: I tried that before and it will go all the way to redline if i go easy on the throttle, but at wot, it jumps all over the place. Think i need a rebuild???
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 10:53 PM
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My engine was just rebuilt last year
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 10:59 PM
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mine has 136k miles on it. never been rebuilt and i hope doesn't need one now cuz i don't have the extra $$$
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 11:03 PM
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this better not be seal failure, i dont want to deal with this... that is if it IS expensive..
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 11:19 PM
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wouldn't it need a rebuild if the seals are failing? any other way of dealing with the problem?
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Old Nov 25, 2002 | 11:39 PM
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Mark, try a search on hesitation or misfire. Try the 3rd gen section if nothing shows up here.
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 12:20 AM
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Mark, try a search on hesitation or misfire. Try the 3rd gen section if nothing shows up here.
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 12:26 AM
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geez, good thinking, hah! i totally forgot about search.. lol
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 01:06 AM
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fuel cut???
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 01:11 AM
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I am fairly sure it's not fuel cut, my friend said he say little blue flames coming out of the muffler's in between the "misfires" so I would be running rich?

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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 01:56 PM
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 02:22 PM
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have you checked your timing?? line it up with the marks on the e-shaft pully and take off the cover of the CAS to make sure they're aligned...
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 02:33 PM
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Does the bang have a metal pinging associated with it?
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Old Nov 26, 2002 | 05:26 PM
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mine has no pinging. haven't checked the timing yet though. its not really a bang, more just a jerkiness throughout higher rpms. if it were a seal failure, then wouldn't it happen regardless of gears. mine doesn't do it at all in first though, i cun run all the way to redline with no problem, but once in second it just jerks anywhere over about 4.5k.
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 06:28 AM
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Just thought I'd jump in again. When mine went, it didn't kick back in first or second. On the street it only did it in third or forth. When Dave @ KD had it on the dyno, it would do it in first, on account of the load on rollers. It wouldn't show on a compression test though. After the engine was replaced, I never had it taken apart to see if it was a sticking or cracked seal. When I had this problem a fellow from Michigan had replied that he had also seen this situation caused by a cracked seal.
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 11:15 AM
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What do you have for intake/TID??

When I got my car I had to replace the lower part of my TID. I used rubber PCV elbow from Home Depot. Wouldnt you know it was colapsing completely at 5500rpms do to the crazy amount of vacumm before the turbo.
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Old Nov 27, 2002 | 03:47 PM
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well i have just a cone filter on there, but it seemed like all of this started right after i put it on there. maybe the tid was brittle then when i replaced the stock airbox, putting the new filter on could have cracked part of it?? i dunno. i just hope i don't have to rebuild.
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