Sobr609

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i think most these people are jealous and they wish they could build a engine themsleves besides paying some-one to do it..i think the motor and the car look great..besides the mufflers..nice work and originality

rotary downshift

please forgive the caps lock .. here at performance improvements we do everything in caps and its much easier to just keep they caps lock on my apologies to everyone who read the post

TD07

As far as my pipe is concerned it's 6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other. Either I come from that side of the car and keep my battery etc and deal with the bend which really isnt going to create any more of a pressure drop than if I pipe it from the other side and deal with a longer pipe run, relocate battery etc etc, your just grasping at straws. But that's ok, cause I don't care, some of you are having a hard time getting that.

My coolant hoses and heater hoses are stock for whatever joker wanted a picture of mine to compare to Aaron's. I believe that same joker made reference to my stock TB adapter, it's not stock actually, it's a cnc'd piece. I posted the pic because someone said I wasnt familiar with custom fabrication.

I always find you leg humpers hillarious. I go to movies and out for dinner all the time, I'm neither an award winning director or chef, yet I feel comfortable critisizing their work, hows it any different here? It isnt, problem is so many people here have created an "internet forum" identity for themselves it really hurts them when someone challenges the "internet ego" they've developed. This forum among others is entertainment for me. If there was something good on T.V I'd be watching that instead, but I'm bored so here I am.

Syncro

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Absoltutley.

rarson

Right...

...so obviously, you're referring to other people's custom fabrication?

You just don't get it. First of all, how can you call us leg humpers solely for arguing with an idiot? I haven't made any comments to suck Aaron's dick with, so I can't consider myself a leg-humper. All I've done is simply negate the stupid bullshit comments you've made.

"Criticism" is a tool that is meant to help someone make something better. You calling Aaron's car ghetto (while you seem to imply it was so clear you were referring to the copper piping, the rest of the thread contributors, including Aaron, had no idea what you were referring to) is not criticism. It's 3rd-grade namecalling at best. Had you said "Hey Aaron, that copper piping looks kinda ghetto" I doubt ANYONE would've sad anything about it. Instead, you apparently had to fill your "internet ego" that you were talking about, by phrasing your comments like a know-it-all. Aaron's certainly not been touting his abilities, despite the fact he's obviously pretty handy with a welder, yet you apparently show off Panspeed parts as your own? So WHO is the one with the ego again?

Now I feel bad for Aaron because you totally ruined his thread. And after spending two hours putting it all together.

(Edit to remove flame)

SonicRaT

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Lookin good to me, a little unconventional, but things aren't 'rigged' in such a way that they're durability is questionable.

TD07 is just trolling, ignore and move on.

fcdrifter13

Is your name doridori_rx7 in reality.

Arraon so far the progress is great, cant wait for another vid of it running. And I may have asked you this before but how long do you expect the paiint you used to last on the motor. It looks great right now.

adrock3217

I for one do not believe Panspeed would make something so...horrible. If they did, I'm sorry, but I would NEVER have them make parts for my car, custom.

Now, its odd...you seem to have a mess of wires and vacuum lines there. There seems to be a "loop" of that blue wire there, you need to wrap that, cut it down to size, and make it suiting for the internet NOW. There is NO WAY you were half-way done the project, and planning on fixing it up later. Obviously since you posted pics, you are DONE with all the wiring...and your car is ghetto.

NZConvertible

You didn't critisise, you just laughed and called it ghetto. No explanation or reasoning, just name-calling. As I already asked, what is your problem with that piping? Share some actual critsism with us. Contribute something useful to the forum for a change, or go annoy someone else.

The copper pipes were for the heater. Do I need to explain what the "H" in HVAC stands for? It's completely relevant to this application.

So now we find out this isn't even your work, it's actually someone else's. Feel free to share my opinion with them. Segmented bends look like *** and that one will flow badly. I wouldn't put that on my car if it were free, let alone actually paying someone to do it.

To me that would be a good reason to find a better way to run the pipes instead of sticking with such an obvious compromise. If it's too tight for a mandrel bend, then it's too tight for any bend if you're trying to minimise restrictions. Why do you think so few people run both IC pipes on the same side of the engine bay?

They do it in Japan so it must be right? Since when are Japan's laws of physics different to everyone else's? You can come up with all the examples you want, it doesn't change the fact that that's a very restrictive bend. The fact that it works doesn't make it a good way to do it.

Having "experience with custom fab work" means doing it, not owning it.

inflatablepets

(clapping) bravo, nice work. Will finish reading later.

classicauto

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Yes apparently they caught the edidemic from you

Im curious when you are goign to stop bogging this thread down witha BS and actually indulge us on your critical opinion on Aaron's heater pipes.

after all it IS apparently your beef with his car, right?

so get on with it!! Please tell us how the copper pipe will not last as long or be a premature failure point on this cardue to its level of "ghetto"

(Edit to remove reference to flame)

Aaron Cake

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OK people, I think enough is enough. I've been trying to balance this being my thread with my responsibility as a moderator and I hope that I've done a decent job. I try to give everyone's "show off" threads a little leeway but when it starts to turn into a flame war I have to step in.

Posts have been edited or deleted in accordance with the forum rules. I think it's safe to say we have covered what is "ghetto" and what is not, so it's time to drop it. Legitimate comments and questions are always welcome.

I really don't know. The can says that it's good to around 300 degrees so it should hold up fine. The only issue is that on smooth surfaces it's a little thin and can be scratched off easily. If it doesn't last, then it's not the end of the world. I'm going to heat wrap the turbo and downpipe soon to try and keep heat off the lower intake and injectors. Already thinking of a new intake design which will be 100% better and move the injectors out of the exhaust heat...

rarson

This is actually a good (and somewhat relevant) point. I mean, it does seem sometimes that Japanese parts have such a reputation that people will buy them even when they are crap. I've seen some big-name companies with less than adequate parts before. Just because something says "HKS" doesn't mean we should settle for poor build quality.

The nice thing about Aaron's car is he knows exactly the attention to detail that has gone into all of his own custom fabricated parts. And I hate to sound like a fanboy, but some of his welding is better than what I've seen on professional parts, like my Apexi exhaust.

I wasn't so hot on the hard pipe idea, especially the heater piping, but it's an interesting idea, and you've got sound reasoning behind it. I wouldn't have thought of that. I always like it when people generate new ideas and bring them into an environment in which they can test it out.

Aaron Cake

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I'm not the first to do solid rad hoses. It's something you'll find a lot at the track and on some street cars.

As for welding, mine has improved greatly over the past few years but in some ways I'm equipment limited. There may be one week where I weld every day, but then another 3 months where I don't touch a welder so it's uneconomical to keep things like gas cylinders (which must be rented or purchased....if purchased there are regular inspections and certifications...) around. So it's basically stick or flux core until I start doing enough to justify an investment in a TIG...

NZConvertible

I found the exhaust work particularly inspirational. This is something I need to look seriously at for the near future as my 10+yo rear mufflers appear to have lost all their internal packing and need replacing. I'm sure the exhasut was much quieter when I bought the car, but it was professionally measured at 108dBA recently (the limit is 90), so it's just a matter of time before I'm forced to do this. I figure I might just rebuild the whole thing very similar to what you've done, with an extra 3" muffler in the middle. I think I'll stick with my single 4" tips though...

13bturbofc

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i love the progress your making....that intake manifold looks awsome and so does the solid hoses....i would paint the copper hose though only because it kinda sticks out from everything else but i think it would also look really nice if you polish it up.. i think its a good idea and i will do it on my 7 when i have the time because then you dont have to worry about blowin a hose out too....over all i love your engine bay and i must say it looks very unique and different and to me thats what looks good...something that not everybody else has on there car...nice work and i cant wait to see the finished product!

j9fd3s

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the reason aarons car looks ghetto is cause everythings painted the same red and you find yourself without a visual focus.

http://www.aaroncake.net/misc/rebuil...talled%201.jpg

that and the 2 screw type hose clamps holding the brake master cylinder together....

functionally it looks ok.

adrock3217

If everything in that engine bay is red, was chrome...



I think I might be blind.



<3 This car +1.

daten

Aaron, nice work on the car and thanks for taking the time to post the pictures and information about it. I do look forward to threads about what people are doing to their cars, especially with pictures. I'm sorry you've had to deal with so many negative posters wasting everyone's time.

NZConvertible

How it that "ghetto"? That makes absolutely no sense.

Jager

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I feel bad for Aaron for having so many dipshits trying to **** on his car.

Just ignore them and keep posting pictures. I admit I thought you did shady work before (like your turbocharger write-up), now I must say you rock.

Good luck.

RRTEC

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"Ghetto Rigged" is a 1981 Civic Sedan, driving in the strongest rain I ever saw, with a shoestring out each window tied to the Windshield wipers, the driver and passenger holding the other end of each and playing a perverbial "tug of war" to keep the driver's line of sight....... That's ghetto..

Aaron Cake

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I hate exhaust work...Well, I hate it when I don't have a lift available.

I'm a bit worried abou the loudness of my setup. The original plan, as you are considering, was to use a 3" inlet muffler with 2 2.5" outlets in place of the Y pipe. It would probably quiet it down many levels. The concern was finding a muffler that could directly stand up to the heat output of the downpipe without needing to be replaced every year. And I was also worried a little bit about restricting the exhaust at such an important point.

I painted it black, but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, it ended up not being used.

At this point I'm ready to to a complete copper car, just to **** people off. Copper rad hoses, copper intercooler piping, etc.

I don't see how you not liking my paint colour choice makes the car "ghetto". In my opinion, every single stock Mazda colour on every RX-7 ever made (except the metallic green on the Savanna and the CYM on the FD) is absolute garbage but I do not walk around calling people's cars "ghetto" because of it...

Additionally, it is very difficult to take pictures of the colours I chose because they have so much depth that the camera cannot capture. Couple that with poor lighting (it's a garage, after all) and things kind of bleed together. The entire engine is done in alternating black and crimson, which is the colour scheme for the entire car. The main issue is that the camera can't capture it properly so in the pictures it just looks alright...In the sun it's breathtaking and matches the rest of the car perfectly.

If you can find a better way to keep the fluid resevoir from leaking, then I'm all ears. I've replaced the master cylinder 3 times, replaced the rubber seals sperately twice, tried 3 different resevoirs and STILL it seeps brake fluid. The hose clamps are the only thing I have found that stops the leak. Just for you, I'll make a pretty little steel bracket based on 2 U bolts and some C channel...

Those who can, do. Those who can't, complain. (or was that teach? ).

Either way, I'm glad you enjoyed the thread.

It doesn't bother me too much. It's to be expected based on the audience in this forum.

Most people forget that the original setup was an experiment. What I'm doing now is a result and I'm applying a LOT of what I learned first time around to do things right this time.

RockLobster

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I like the blaze red and the harbor blue, but beyond that they all suck...

NZConvertible

I'm looking for something like the center muffler in the RB TII system. 3" straight-though for minimal pressure drop, SS packing to take the heat, and as big as I can find/fit to keep noise down.