Aaron Cake

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This "kid" is a lot closer to 30 then he is 20.

NOPR

well, he was paying $100 bucks for some stock honda accord wheels that i got for free, so i didnt care too much. then he went home and found out not all hondas (including his) are 4x114.3 (D'OH!). he wanted me to buy them back

88rxn/a

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i got a year on ya so i get the right to call ya kid!! LOL

My5ABaby

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Yeah, probably will run good. Hell, if you can do all that work, I'd say you can get the damn thing to start.
Ooooops.

TD07

Ah whatever. I choose to use AN fittings or tbolt clamps. I've seen PLENTY of custom fabed stuff to know what I'm looking at thanks Aaron. Still ghetto. Good luck with it though. You post your stuff up here so expect a fair amount of critisism, it's the reason I don't post up pics of my car, I'm willing to dish it out, but not willing to take it.

Aaron Cake

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Please tell me what is "ghetto" about my work.

88rxn/a

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My5ABaby

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Can I get a link to your work so I can see non-"ghetto"?

speed_monkey

So you critisize somebody's work, then wont even show yours in fear of being critisized your self? Dear God man, grow a pair will ya?

It's not overpriced brand name **** yo! lol

TD07

Never mind the screw clamps for a moment here's one of my intake pipes for fab comparison. I'm sure the Aaron Cake groupies will flame but that's OK.

ErixHvn

[QUOTE=TD07]Never mind the screw clamps for a moment here's one of my intake pipes for fab comparison. I'm sure the Aaron Cake groupies will flame but that's OK.

Not trying to flame you but why in hell is the "snail" going that way? Wouldn't that curve be bad for intake velocities? Kinda would like to see the rest of the engine bay.

Alak

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TD07

[QUOTE=ErixHvn]
The intercooler pipe comes from the passenger side of the car that "snail" is the only way to reach the throttle body. No I don't believe it causes any measureable loss of velocity. It may be detrimental to run such large pipe but I'm not overly concerned.

I never said I don't do ghetto stuff. I've patched stuff to get it running. My wiring isnt imaculate, but I don't post pics of my car for that reason.

You want to start up a little "ego booster" thread then you better be prepared for some critisism, if you don't like it boo ******* hoo.

rarson

Well duh. I believe the question is, why would you have the pipe coming from the passenger side?

The great thing about physics is that it doesn't matter what you believe, it's still the same. Of course there is a loss of velocity, on the inside of the turn. Meanwhile the air towards the outside has to speed up to complete the longer turn. You are both heating the air up (albeit by a very small degree) and losing flow (again, to a small degree) by increasing headloss with that 180. It's simple fluid dynamics, regardless of what you "believe" (as if fluid dynamics is a belief ).

Look, you obviously place yourself at the center of your posts. Just because Aaron is posting info about his car and his build doesn't mean he's trying to make himself feel better... I'm sure the work he's done on his car has already done that. In fact, when I spend a lot of time working on MY car, the last thing I want to do is spend a bunch of time taking pictures and writing pages of information on a car forum. I guess you don't get it, but Aaron's post is here to let other people who are interested in his setup see what is going on, and maybe give others ideas for their own projects (I'm sure it's a good avenue for others' advice on his own setup as well).

And if you don't like the thread, then "boo ******* hoo," don't read it. No, I'm not an Aaron Cake follower but I am a fan of reading about people who are talented and put a lot of work into their cars like this. To nitpick and rip on his work is trolling, so you need to lay off. Perhaps if you explained what was ghetto instead of just playing name-calling, then your posts would be useful.

NZConvertible

Can you actually offer an explanation for your nearly wet pants? Copper is still the most commonly used material in small-diameter commercial HVAC pipework (both heating and chilled water), and there is no reason why it can't/shouldn't be used in a car. It's perfectly suited for this use, and once painted would look pretty much like the other factory hard pipes.

Apparently you think Aaron's car is a rolling ghetto-mobile, but you've only mentioned one pair of pipes and can't explain why. What exactly is your problem?

Could you have made that any more restrictive? An extremely tight 180deg bend followed by a reduction in pipe diameter because you chose the wrong TB adaptor. Great work. Not only do segmented bends look like complete ***, they flow poorly due to excessive weld penetration, and in your case also because it was obviously too tight even for a mandrel bend.

Then you need a lesson in simple fluid dynamics. The tighter the bend, the greater the restriction caused, and they don't get much toghter than that.

gxl90rx7

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Nice work, and thanks for writing all this up for us, videos of the start would be awesome.

just one quesiton, why all the hard lines for the coolant? arent they a bit more heavy than using just the stock piping and hoses? And it creates vibration problems too?

TD07

Not too tough to get you guy's going hey?

Listen I said before if you post up a pic of your car you have to be prepared for some critisism, and since I attacked your dearly beloved Aaron and then posted my own pic I expected some backlash.

HVAC? That has what to do with our application? Good try though. Oh and NZ I'll let the guy's at Panspeed know about your opinion on their design and welds they'll probably want to hire you on the spot, they hold "forum know it alls" in very high regard there.lol

Keep it coming, it's pretty funny stuff considering I really don't give a rats ***

Aaron Cake

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Seems like a nice pipe. I'm honestly not a big fan of the "cut and weld" method of pipe bending just because I like the smooth transitions of the premade bends (or a hydraulic bender) but it's been done forever so obviously it works.

Sort of like the older HKS kits? My original piping came from the passenger side as well to meet up with the NA intake, but this time it's following the standard drivers side route. It looks like I'll only have about 4 feet of intercooler piping total, maybe slightly more or slightly less.

I post these threads because I figured people would be interested in what I'm doing. It's sort of what people do on car forums because they are in a community of people that are interested in what they're doing. What I don't understand are those that criticise for an unknown reason without justifying their criticism and seem to be only posting to insult or get attention.

It takes like 2 hours to prepare each of those threads since I try to keep them informative and educational instead of just posting a bunch of "here's my car" pictures. Those are two hours I could certainly be using for something else (like working on my own car!) so it's not like I'm doing this for my own benefit.

I always enjoy seeing and reading about someone else's work and I assume that others are the same...That's why we're here...

I'm using the hard lines because rubber hose tends to break under stress. Anyone who was spent time at the track knows that the rubber hose is the weak point in the cooling system. I've had too many unexplained hose failures (well, probably explained by overtightened hose clamps...) to deal with rubber hose anymore so I made the solid lines. I don't expect vibration problems but as has been mentioned earlier in the thread, not having solid engine mounts might be a problem. We'll see how much things move when I start the car and if it's a problem I'll go to solid mounts.

Whizbang

well lets see. Heat, ventilation and air conditioning...hmm...seems as though i can find all three of those things in car....

Whizbang

or tell them about the existance of mandrel bending.

Aaron Cake

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You'll have a very hard time getting that sharp a bend with a mandrel bender (or any kind of bender really). Most of the time bends that small are cast and then welded on seperately.

TD07

The bend is too tight for mandrel bending. There is more than a few TB adapters out there that allow for the IC piping to be this way. RE has one as well, their design has the pipe come in straight and the TB adapter has the inlet on top, it's been done plenty with fine results. This piping uses that "snail" in the 3" pipe to accomplish the same thing. If the welder is worth a pinch (as is the case with that pipe) there is no concern about restriction due to excessive weld penetration. Given how far behind North America is you'll probably start seeing more of it here in oh lets say 10 years.

Now to clear a few things up. My comment regarding Aarons car as ghetto had to do with the copper piping, not the overall project. I think there was some mis understanding there. I don't particularily like some of the things he's decided to do with the project but.......He addressed the issue of the copper piping so I droped it, nobody else seemed to. Everybody took such great offense, calling me out. I've done ghetto things to my car to get it up and running and to make things work, so I don't post pics and write ups about it. If you do be prepared to be critisized.

(Edit to remove one line of flame)

classicauto

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That doesn't mean its the optimal way. And given you initial criticism, I was expecting to see polished flawless flowing optimal diameter piping. Not cut-n-weld "mandrels" that go to the stock TB elbow.

So why didn't you show us your non-ghetto coolant plumbing instead of leading the focus to I/C pipes?

So what you're saying is its OK to ghetto-rig as long as you don't post about it? hehe.

I would expect someone who critcizes about ghetto-rigging to be completely opposed to it. Not condone it so long as no one sees it.

(Edit to remvove reference to flame)

rotary downshift

When Is This Thread Hgoing To Be Locked And Archived .. It Has Been Here For A Few Days And Has Aquired So Much Flaming Its Stupid ... Mad Respect To Aarons Project And Boo To All The Flamers As Not A Single One Had A Good Reason For Their Comments .. And All The Ppl With Problums With What Aaron Had Done Followed It With Reason And Inquirys But Yes Lock And Archive

snowball

rotary downshift caps lock is not your friend
TD07 that intake looks very restrictive in comparison to a good setup IE greddy

great work aaron keep it up