Lucas Fuel Treatment vs. MMO
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Lucas Fuel Treatment vs. MMO
Has anybody used this stuff instead of MMO?
I went to the store at lunch today to buy some Marvel Mystery Oil for the initial start of my 'new' engine, but walked out with Lucas Fuel Treatment instead. It said all the right things - lubricates rings, burns cleanly, disolves carbon. MMO didn't even say anything about adding it to regular gas - just diesel.
I went to the store at lunch today to buy some Marvel Mystery Oil for the initial start of my 'new' engine, but walked out with Lucas Fuel Treatment instead. It said all the right things - lubricates rings, burns cleanly, disolves carbon. MMO didn't even say anything about adding it to regular gas - just diesel.
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
Any reasons behind these statments? As far as I know alot of people premix with MMO.\, and disconect the OMP 
If you are disconnecting the MOP, then you need to be using 2 stroke oil... not ATF with solvents (which is all that MMO is).
Besides lowering octane even further...
If you actually do know people that are using MMO in place of a MOP or two stroke oil, then you need to get them to stop... of a rebuild will be sooner than they are expecting.
MMO and Lucas are simply snake oils, and in no way replacement for a properly fucntioning MOP or two stroke oil. Just read the lable of ingredents
How is ATF and MMO the same?! ATF is designed NOT TO BURN. MMO is O2 sensor/cat safe. So how is it the same again?! Anyone that puts ATF in their motor is nuts. On one other note whats up with SEAFOAM treatment. Piston guys seam to think it is the best for carbon buildup/ injector cleaning, as far as on the shelf stuff goes. Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
How is ATF and MMO the same?! ATF is designed NOT TO BURN. MMO is O2 sensor/cat safe. So how is it the same again?! Anyone that puts ATF in their motor is nuts.
On one other note whats up with SEAFOAM treatment. Piston guys seam to think it is the best for carbon buildup/ injector cleaning, as far as on the shelf stuff goes. Any thoughts?
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As an initial startup or lube during building, them MMO is fine, though I would never use it. That's why they make assembly lube.
As a premix, it's totally unsuitable for the reasons already mentioned. It is just a VERY light oil with a lot of detergents.
As a premix, it's totally unsuitable for the reasons already mentioned. It is just a VERY light oil with a lot of detergents.
Originally Posted by Icemark
Read the ingredents... you must be nuts by your definition if you use MMO oil in your gas
the fact that it is not recommended for rotaries doesn't mean anything.
the fact that it is not recommended for rotaries doesn't mean anything.
You talk down as if you know everything, but you have ZERO facts or ANY Constructive information. I thought you where a MOD? Thanks for all the help
On the other side of the engine block are those additives which will cleanse your engine, not coat it. Stuff like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil claim they can make your engine run quieter and smoother, and reduce oil burning. These are products which contain solvents or detergents such as kerosene, naphthalene, xylene, acetone or isopropanol. If used properly, I suppose these products will strip off your Teflon and zinc protective coatings! But unless you have a really old and abused car, you probably have no need of stripping away sludge and deposits from your engine. Thus, you probably have no need for these wonder cleaners. If you overuse such products you can damage your engine by promoting metal to metal contact.
Doesn't sound like ATF to me
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see for yourself, Instead of narrowminded opinions
Doesn't sound like ATF to me
Taken From: http://skepdic.com/slick50.html
see for yourself, Instead of narrowminded opinions
Last edited by socalrotor; Aug 18, 2005 at 04:41 PM.
MMO says to add in oil or oil. That is the opposite of what everyone is saying. It cleans the injectors as well as cleans the inside of the engine. And is thinner so it can burn easier with all the effects of ATF. MMO is pretty good for alot of things. And it smells better too.
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I will believe the statement that Seafoam is death to a rotary b/c my engine blew 15 miles after adding a can to a fresh tank of gas.
Maybe coincidence, but I will never use the product again. Not worth the risk to me.
Maybe coincidence, but I will never use the product again. Not worth the risk to me.
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Originally Posted by socalrotor
You talk down as if you know everything, but you have ZERO facts or ANY Constructive information. I thought you where a MOD? Thanks for all the help
But if we search for an MSDS sheet on it we see it's basically oil, mineral spirits and naptha.
MARVEL OIL -- MYSTERY OIL - LUBRICATING OIL
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
NSN: 9150011264459
Manufacturer's CAGE: 95015
Part No. Indicator: A
Part Number/Trade Name: MYSTERY OIL
================================================== =========================
General Information
================================================== =========================
Item Name: LUBRICATING OIL
Company's Name: MARVEL OIL CO INC
Company's Street: 331 NORTH MAIN ST
Company's City: PORT CHESTER
Company's State: NY
Company's Country: US
Company's Zip Code: 10573
Company's Emerg Ph #: 914-937-4000
Company's Info Ph #: 914-937-4000
Distributor/Vendor # 1: NASTER SALE INC / DBA ACE TOOL CO
Distributor/Vendor # 1 Cage: 1X015
Record No. For Safety Entry: 001
Tot Safety Entries This Stk#: 003
Status: SMJ
Date MSDS Prepared: 01JUN91
Safety Data Review Date: 21FEB97
Supply Item Manager: CX
MSDS Preparer's Name: UNKNOWN
MSDS Serial Number: BLPGX
Specification Number: NONE
Spec Type, Grade, Class: NONE
Hazard Characteristic Code: F4
Unit Of Issue: EA
Unit Of Issue Container Qty: 1 QUART
Type Of Container: UNKNOWN
Net Unit Weight: 1.9 LBS
================================================== =========================
Ingredients/Identity Information
================================================== =========================
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: KEROSENE (PETROLEUM), HYDROTREATED; (MINERAL SPIRITS)
Ingredient Sequence Number: 01
Percent: 30
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: OA5504000
CAS Number: 64742-47-8
OSHA PEL: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
ACGIH TLV: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
-------------------------------------
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: SOLV REFINED HEAVY NAPHTHENIC DISTILLATE,PETROLEUM; (NAPTHENIC
BASE OIL DISTILLATE) CAS NO 64742-63-8, 64741-96-4.
Ingredient Sequence Number: 02
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: PY8040000
CAS Number: 64741-96-4
OSHA PEL: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
ACGIH TLV: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
================================================== =========================
Physical/Chemical Characteristics
================================================== =========================
Appearance And Odor: RED COLOR LIQUID WITH MILD ODOR.
Boiling Point: 313F,156C
Vapor Pressure (MM Hg/70 F): 2 @ 68
Specific Gravity: 0.9
Solubility In Water: NEGLIGIBLE
================================================== =========================
Fire and Explosion Hazard Data
================================================== =========================
Flash Point: 140F,60C
Extinguishing Media: CO2, DRY CHEMICAL, FOAM, WATER SPRAY, WATER FOG.
Special Fire Fighting Proc: WEAR NIOSH/MSHA APPROVED SCBA & FULL
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (FP N).
Unusual Fire And Expl Hazrds: DO NOT STORE OR MIX WITH STRONG OXIDANTS.
================================================== =========================
Reactivity Data
================================================== =========================
Stability: YES
Cond To Avoid (Stability): NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Materials To Avoid: OXIDIZING AGENTS.
Hazardous Decomp Products: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Hazardous Poly Occur: NO
Conditions To Avoid (Poly): NOT RELEVANT
================================================== =========================
Health Hazard Data
================================================== =========================
LD50-LC50 Mixture: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Route Of Entry - Inhalation: YES
Route Of Entry - Skin: NO
Route Of Entry - Ingestion: YES
Health Haz Acute And Chronic: EYE: MILD IRRITATION. SKIN: ONE OR MORE
COMPONENTS OF THIS MATERIAL MAY CAUSE SKIN IRRITATION. PROLONGED OR
REPEATED CONTACT MAY CAUSE REDNESS, BURNING AND DRYING AND CRACKING OF THE
SKIN. INGEST: PULMONARY ASPIRATION HAZARD IF SWALLOWED. DO NOT INDUCE
VOMITING.
Carcinogenicity - NTP: NO
Carcinogenicity - IARC: NO
Carcinogenicity - OSHA: NO
Explanation Carcinogenicity: NOT RELEVANT
Signs/Symptoms Of Overexp: SEE HEALTH HAZARDS.
Med Cond Aggravated By Exp: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
REMOVE TO FRESH AIR. SUPPORT BREATHING (GIVE O2/ARTIFICIAL RESPIRATION) (FP
N). EYES: IMMEDIATELY FLUSH EYES WITH POTABLE WATER FOR A MINIMUM OF 15
MINUTES, SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM MD (FP N). SKIN: FLUSH WITH COPIOUS AMOUNTS
OF WATER. CALL MD (FP N).
================================================== =========================
Precautions for Safe Handling and Use
================================================== =========================
Steps If Matl Released/Spill: RECOVER FREE LIQUID, ADD ABSORBENT TO SPILL
AREA.
Neutralizing Agent: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Waste Disposal Method: KEEP PRODUCT OUT OF SEWERS AND WATERCOURSES.
DISPOSAL SHOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS.
Precautions-Handling/Storing: KEEP AWAY FROM HEAT AND OPEN FLAME, CONTAINS
REFINED PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, IF SWALLOWED DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING, IF
INGEST CALL MD IMMED.
Other Precautions: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
================================================== =========================
Control Measures
================================================== =========================
Respiratory Protection: NIOSH/MSHA APPROVED RESPIRATOR APPROPRIATE FOR
EXPOSURE OF CONCERN (FP N).
Ventilation: MECHANICAL VENTILATION AS NEEDED.
Protective Gloves: CHEMICAL RESISTANT GLOVES.
Eye Protection: CHEMICAL WORKERS GOGGLES (FP N).
Other Protective Equipment: USE CHEMICAL RESISTANT APRON OR OTHER
IMPERVIOUS CLOTHING TO AVOID PROLONGED OR REPEATED SKIN CONTACT.
Work Hygienic Practices: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Suppl. Safety & Health Data: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
================================================== =========================
Transportation Data
================================================== =========================
Trans Data Review Date: 97052
DOT PSN Code: LKZ
DOT Proper Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S. OR PETROLEUM
PRODUCTS, N.O.S.
DOT Class: 3
DOT ID Number: UN1268
DOT Pack Group: III
DOT Label: FLAMMABLE LIQUID
IMO PSN Code: LMH
IMO Proper Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S. o
IMO Regulations Page Number: 3375
IMO UN Number: 1268
IMO UN Class: 3.3
IMO Subsidiary Risk Label: -
IATA PSN Code: TJB
IATA UN ID Number: 1268
IATA Proper Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S.
IATA UN Class: 3
IATA Label: FLAMMABLE LIQUID
AFI PSN Code: TJB
AFI Prop. Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S.
AFI Class: 3
AFI ID Number: UN1268
AFI Pack Group: III
AFI Basic Pac Ref: A7.3
MMAC Code: NR
N.O.S. Shipping Name: CONTAINS KEROSENE AND NAPHTHALENIC PETROLEUM
DISTILLATES.
Additional Trans Data: PETROLEUM OIL,UN1270,3,III IS NOT A PSN UNDER IMO
AND IATA.
================================================== =========================
Disposal Data
================================================== =========================
================================================== =========================
Label Data
================================================== =========================
Label Required: YES
Technical Review Date: 21FEB97
Label Date: 22NOV91
MFR Label Number: UNKNOWN
Label Status: F
Common Name: MYSTERY OIL
Chronic Hazard: YES
Signal Word: CAUTION!
Acute Health Hazard-Slight: X
Contact Hazard-Slight: X
Fire Hazard-Slight: X
Reactivity Hazard-None: X
Special Hazard Precautions: ACUTE: COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL. MAY CAUSE SKIN
IRRITATION. PULMONARY ASPIRATION HAZARD IF SWALLOWED. CHRONIC: PROLONGED OR
REPEATED CONTACT MAY CAUSE REDNESS, BURNING AND DRYING, AND CRACKING OF THE
SKIN.
Protect Eye: Y
Protect Skin: Y
Protect Respiratory: Y
Label Name: MARVEL OIL CO INC
Label Street: 331 NORTH MAIN ST
Label City: PORT CHESTER
Label State: NY
Label Zip Code: 10573
Label Country: US
Label Emergency Number: 914-937-4000
MARVEL OIL -- MYSTERY OIL - LUBRICATING OIL
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
NSN: 9150011264459
Manufacturer's CAGE: 95015
Part No. Indicator: A
Part Number/Trade Name: MYSTERY OIL
================================================== =========================
General Information
================================================== =========================
Item Name: LUBRICATING OIL
Company's Name: MARVEL OIL CO INC
Company's Street: 331 NORTH MAIN ST
Company's City: PORT CHESTER
Company's State: NY
Company's Country: US
Company's Zip Code: 10573
Company's Emerg Ph #: 914-937-4000
Company's Info Ph #: 914-937-4000
Distributor/Vendor # 1: NASTER SALE INC / DBA ACE TOOL CO
Distributor/Vendor # 1 Cage: 1X015
Record No. For Safety Entry: 001
Tot Safety Entries This Stk#: 003
Status: SMJ
Date MSDS Prepared: 01JUN91
Safety Data Review Date: 21FEB97
Supply Item Manager: CX
MSDS Preparer's Name: UNKNOWN
MSDS Serial Number: BLPGX
Specification Number: NONE
Spec Type, Grade, Class: NONE
Hazard Characteristic Code: F4
Unit Of Issue: EA
Unit Of Issue Container Qty: 1 QUART
Type Of Container: UNKNOWN
Net Unit Weight: 1.9 LBS
================================================== =========================
Ingredients/Identity Information
================================================== =========================
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: KEROSENE (PETROLEUM), HYDROTREATED; (MINERAL SPIRITS)
Ingredient Sequence Number: 01
Percent: 30
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: OA5504000
CAS Number: 64742-47-8
OSHA PEL: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
ACGIH TLV: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
-------------------------------------
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: SOLV REFINED HEAVY NAPHTHENIC DISTILLATE,PETROLEUM; (NAPTHENIC
BASE OIL DISTILLATE) CAS NO 64742-63-8, 64741-96-4.
Ingredient Sequence Number: 02
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: PY8040000
CAS Number: 64741-96-4
OSHA PEL: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
ACGIH TLV: 5 MG/M3 (MFR)
================================================== =========================
Physical/Chemical Characteristics
================================================== =========================
Appearance And Odor: RED COLOR LIQUID WITH MILD ODOR.
Boiling Point: 313F,156C
Vapor Pressure (MM Hg/70 F): 2 @ 68
Specific Gravity: 0.9
Solubility In Water: NEGLIGIBLE
================================================== =========================
Fire and Explosion Hazard Data
================================================== =========================
Flash Point: 140F,60C
Extinguishing Media: CO2, DRY CHEMICAL, FOAM, WATER SPRAY, WATER FOG.
Special Fire Fighting Proc: WEAR NIOSH/MSHA APPROVED SCBA & FULL
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (FP N).
Unusual Fire And Expl Hazrds: DO NOT STORE OR MIX WITH STRONG OXIDANTS.
================================================== =========================
Reactivity Data
================================================== =========================
Stability: YES
Cond To Avoid (Stability): NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Materials To Avoid: OXIDIZING AGENTS.
Hazardous Decomp Products: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Hazardous Poly Occur: NO
Conditions To Avoid (Poly): NOT RELEVANT
================================================== =========================
Health Hazard Data
================================================== =========================
LD50-LC50 Mixture: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Route Of Entry - Inhalation: YES
Route Of Entry - Skin: NO
Route Of Entry - Ingestion: YES
Health Haz Acute And Chronic: EYE: MILD IRRITATION. SKIN: ONE OR MORE
COMPONENTS OF THIS MATERIAL MAY CAUSE SKIN IRRITATION. PROLONGED OR
REPEATED CONTACT MAY CAUSE REDNESS, BURNING AND DRYING AND CRACKING OF THE
SKIN. INGEST: PULMONARY ASPIRATION HAZARD IF SWALLOWED. DO NOT INDUCE
VOMITING.
Carcinogenicity - NTP: NO
Carcinogenicity - IARC: NO
Carcinogenicity - OSHA: NO
Explanation Carcinogenicity: NOT RELEVANT
Signs/Symptoms Of Overexp: SEE HEALTH HAZARDS.
Med Cond Aggravated By Exp: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
REMOVE TO FRESH AIR. SUPPORT BREATHING (GIVE O2/ARTIFICIAL RESPIRATION) (FP
N). EYES: IMMEDIATELY FLUSH EYES WITH POTABLE WATER FOR A MINIMUM OF 15
MINUTES, SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM MD (FP N). SKIN: FLUSH WITH COPIOUS AMOUNTS
OF WATER. CALL MD (FP N).
================================================== =========================
Precautions for Safe Handling and Use
================================================== =========================
Steps If Matl Released/Spill: RECOVER FREE LIQUID, ADD ABSORBENT TO SPILL
AREA.
Neutralizing Agent: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Waste Disposal Method: KEEP PRODUCT OUT OF SEWERS AND WATERCOURSES.
DISPOSAL SHOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS.
Precautions-Handling/Storing: KEEP AWAY FROM HEAT AND OPEN FLAME, CONTAINS
REFINED PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, IF SWALLOWED DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING, IF
INGEST CALL MD IMMED.
Other Precautions: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
================================================== =========================
Control Measures
================================================== =========================
Respiratory Protection: NIOSH/MSHA APPROVED RESPIRATOR APPROPRIATE FOR
EXPOSURE OF CONCERN (FP N).
Ventilation: MECHANICAL VENTILATION AS NEEDED.
Protective Gloves: CHEMICAL RESISTANT GLOVES.
Eye Protection: CHEMICAL WORKERS GOGGLES (FP N).
Other Protective Equipment: USE CHEMICAL RESISTANT APRON OR OTHER
IMPERVIOUS CLOTHING TO AVOID PROLONGED OR REPEATED SKIN CONTACT.
Work Hygienic Practices: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Suppl. Safety & Health Data: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
================================================== =========================
Transportation Data
================================================== =========================
Trans Data Review Date: 97052
DOT PSN Code: LKZ
DOT Proper Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S. OR PETROLEUM
PRODUCTS, N.O.S.
DOT Class: 3
DOT ID Number: UN1268
DOT Pack Group: III
DOT Label: FLAMMABLE LIQUID
IMO PSN Code: LMH
IMO Proper Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S. o
IMO Regulations Page Number: 3375
IMO UN Number: 1268
IMO UN Class: 3.3
IMO Subsidiary Risk Label: -
IATA PSN Code: TJB
IATA UN ID Number: 1268
IATA Proper Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S.
IATA UN Class: 3
IATA Label: FLAMMABLE LIQUID
AFI PSN Code: TJB
AFI Prop. Shipping Name: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES, N.O.S.
AFI Class: 3
AFI ID Number: UN1268
AFI Pack Group: III
AFI Basic Pac Ref: A7.3
MMAC Code: NR
N.O.S. Shipping Name: CONTAINS KEROSENE AND NAPHTHALENIC PETROLEUM
DISTILLATES.
Additional Trans Data: PETROLEUM OIL,UN1270,3,III IS NOT A PSN UNDER IMO
AND IATA.
================================================== =========================
Disposal Data
================================================== =========================
================================================== =========================
Label Data
================================================== =========================
Label Required: YES
Technical Review Date: 21FEB97
Label Date: 22NOV91
MFR Label Number: UNKNOWN
Label Status: F
Common Name: MYSTERY OIL
Chronic Hazard: YES
Signal Word: CAUTION!
Acute Health Hazard-Slight: X
Contact Hazard-Slight: X
Fire Hazard-Slight: X
Reactivity Hazard-None: X
Special Hazard Precautions: ACUTE: COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL. MAY CAUSE SKIN
IRRITATION. PULMONARY ASPIRATION HAZARD IF SWALLOWED. CHRONIC: PROLONGED OR
REPEATED CONTACT MAY CAUSE REDNESS, BURNING AND DRYING, AND CRACKING OF THE
SKIN.
Protect Eye: Y
Protect Skin: Y
Protect Respiratory: Y
Label Name: MARVEL OIL CO INC
Label Street: 331 NORTH MAIN ST
Label City: PORT CHESTER
Label State: NY
Label Zip Code: 10573
Label Country: US
Label Emergency Number: 914-937-4000
MMO contains:
KEROSENE
Mineral Spirits
Napthenic Hydrocarbons
ATF contains:
Paraffin
Oil Mist
Napthenic Hydrocarbons
So, in MMO you have two different solvents as suspension elements and in ATF you have two different Oils for suspension...
which would be better for your engine??? Lubricants??? or solvents???
So basicly if you are using MMO in your gas, you are dumping in solvents in your gas (whcih as mentioned before lowers octane) not any higher order lubricants.
But wait/// lets get more data/// In case you didn't read the above MSDS, the flash point on MMO is only 140*f... so chances are it already burned up before it even reached the rotors (since even the oil temp in a rotary is above 160*f). So anything that you thought was actually adding into the mixture has actually burned up long before in the intake.
So next time before you go blast off your mouth... do a little research.
Last edited by Icemark; Aug 18, 2005 at 05:43 PM.
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The fact remains that your answer was already out there and you didn't search for it. Mark didn't even slam you for that; instead he answered your question quickly and concisely but his answer wasn't the one you were looking for so you went off on a rant.
Why do people do that? Why do people ask a question if they don't want to hear the real answer? If you already know what you want to hear, then don't ask and you won't be disappointed. You can continue living in ignorance.
Why do people do that? Why do people ask a question if they don't want to hear the real answer? If you already know what you want to hear, then don't ask and you won't be disappointed. You can continue living in ignorance.
I only questioned the statment that ATF & MMO are the same......I did not state it.... only questioned it. It is my belive that they are VERY different. Who can prove me wrong with facts? As for looking for an answer, I was looking for the facts. But say what you will cuz your input was oh so helpful......
Originally Posted by breckboarder55
**** i use MMO should i stop imidiatly cause i have like 6k on my rebuild
this refers to adding it to the fuel only.
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Originally Posted by breckboarder55
**** i use MMO should i stop imidiatly cause i have like 6k on my rebuild
There is no point using MMO as a top end lubricant, it should not be confused with one any more than kerosen should be confused as a lubricant.
Heck with the 140F flash point its all burned up before it even gets to a rotor face or apex seal.
If you need/want/desire extra lubrication in your fuel, then two stroke oil (much cheaper than MMO or Lucas at less than $2 a tank) will give you radically better lubrication, be it in a rotary or a piston engine.
This is why I say that MMO is nothing more than SNAKE OIL- and since the primary ingredent is the same as ATF- you are just wasting money using it.
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my rx was blowing the tipicle white smoke at startup , panic ! , exhaust didn't smell sweet , so I changed My plugs and wires , ran a lot better with no smoke , then put in a bottle of lucas! in the gas tank , and ran the car down the interstate at 70 + and now the car runs like a rocket ... and gee mom ! ... no more white smoke at startup !!!!!!!
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what did you do that for?
[QUOTE=Audiofight]I will believe the statement that Seafoam is death to a rotary b/c my engine blew 15 miles after adding a can to a fresh tank of gas. QUOTE]
as far as i knew, that stuff is only for the combustion chamber in motors. my friend used half a can of that stuff in his N/A and his idle was instantly improved and was never better. i'd never put that stuff in the gas especially a whole can.
as far as i knew, that stuff is only for the combustion chamber in motors. my friend used half a can of that stuff in his N/A and his idle was instantly improved and was never better. i'd never put that stuff in the gas especially a whole can.
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