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Old May 14, 2006 | 10:55 PM
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lowering by heating

ok, heres the question.
i want to lower the car by heating the springs.
i plan to have it on scales to make sure i dont change the weight balance.

any suggestions, i dont have the money right now to buy springs, but that is a future plan.

no negative responses plz, i dont need them.
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Old May 14, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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Just wait till you have the money to get the springs. What you are doing is ghetto rigging your car. There is no way to accurately do what you are proposing. You will be better off cutting coils off the springs with a hacksaw.
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Old May 14, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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well heres a response that might make u change ur mind on the lowering technique ...... your stock spring rate is less that 100 both front and rear ... thats about as squishy as a rotton tomatoe .... and heating the springs to the point of sever saging will only make them softer thus resulting in SLAM!!! bottom out = no good .... just cut them at equal lengths on each side and it wont throw off the balance ..... but i strongly advise u DONT melt ur springs .. essentialy thats what u are going to be doing .. never a good thing .. but if u chose to go through with it .. good luck ... but if u dont have money to replace them i sudgest u cut them .. its safer faster and more efficent imo atleast ... either way best of luck to you
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Old May 14, 2006 | 11:09 PM
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yeah, ill wait. my car just looks ugly with my low profile rims and about 3-4 in gap i looks like to the fender.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:36 AM
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take this opportunity to upgrade your whole suspension
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:45 AM
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also when you heat the springs enough to get a decent drop they end up clunking sounding horrible so just cut them if you really need to do it right now
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Old May 15, 2006 | 02:45 AM
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If you heat them or cut them it's gonna feel like you're riding inside of a basketball being dribbled by John Stockton...
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Old May 15, 2006 | 03:30 AM
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cutting them is not the answer it will make your car dangerous and handle like ****, wen u lower buy cutting it gives u less coils which hardens the spring rate which makes it not sag as much which ends up not lowering the car much which makes u cut ridiculous amounts off, the springs can jump out of the seats the car will bounce everywhere. my recomendation dont do it, i have compressed springs and shortend shocks by the way
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Old May 15, 2006 | 06:49 AM
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You can cut your springs successfully.

The reason it will ride like crap is because of the increase in spring rates. People dont understand that when you cut springs, you changing the amount of coils, which makes the rate of each coil higher. People cut springs expecting nothing to change except to lower the car, this isnt true. You get better handling out of cutting a coil out, and a nice lowering effect, but dont go overboard, or you'll just hit your bumpstops all the time.

If you were to go out and buy stiffer lowering springs and still not change your struts, it would ride comparitively with cut springs. The reason you here people say "I was going to cut my struts, but then I ended up getting springs and new adjustable Koni's, it rides awsome!" Is because they just bought 200 some dollar struts! If you cut your springs and stick Koni's underneath, of course its gonna ride awsome, Koni's can control damn near anything and make it ride nice!

However, I wouldn't advice heating springs at all! This weakens the metal, making it brital, and very prone to failure.

All in all, i'd cut springs if i were looking for a cheap/temporary drop, but not if i was actually looking to get the most out of the suspension.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nzs4
cutting them is not the answer it will make your car dangerous and handle like ****, wen u lower buy cutting it gives u less coils which hardens the spring rate which makes it not sag as much which ends up not lowering the car much which makes u cut ridiculous amounts off, the springs can jump out of the seats the car will bounce everywhere. my recomendation dont do it, i have compressed springs and shortend shocks by the way
the only reason springs will jump out of the pirch is if the strut is blown ... i currently have cut dropzone coils on my car they have a 400 lb spring rate and i have about 7 inches of stut slop b 4 the spring has been preeloaded on the vehicle and i garauntee that the spring doesnt come out of the pirch .. but yeah i think uve heard about all ur goiing to from here ... cut them ,,,
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Old May 15, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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Deal with a shitty looking car instead of having a dangerous car.
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Old May 15, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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I've cut springs with good results, but I haven't heated springs yet. Do it and let us know how it turns out. Just don't be surprised if it rides like crap.
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Old May 16, 2006 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rotorpower27
no negative responses plz, i dont need them.
Sorry, you're going to get them...

How much of a drop are you looking for???
If we're talking anything over 1.0", then it's downright dangerous.
Drops more than 1.0" will induce huge negative camber in the rears.
You cannot dial this negative camber without major fabrication work in the rear suspension.
You'll be eating through rear tires in WEEKS.
VERY DANGEROUS.


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Old May 16, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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not a good idea, pay the money and do it right. I have never seen a good heat job ever.
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Old May 16, 2006 | 09:04 PM
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I did it once to a volvo 240, wouldnt really recommend doing it on a rx-7...
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Old May 16, 2006 | 09:29 PM
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yall are trippin!!

obviously he's looking for a low budget tempory solution to make his car lower to fill the time between now and when he gets expensive stuff

i'll speak from personal experience with cut springs on an rx7

my car handles better, and as far as im concerned it rides better...the spring rate is stiffer but not rediculously stiff. and mine are cut LOW...if i went any lower the front would rub the fenderwells...the negative camber is a huge problem...but both me and my buddy have our springs cut and neither of our cars are dangerous...just remember when people talk smack on here half of them are just relating info they heard from someone who heard from someone who heard from someone that one time some guy cut his springs and hsi car rode like crap and bounced all over the place (cuz his struts were prolly blown)

i vote you cut your springs and as long as ur struts are ok you'll like it...if your struts are blown you'll hate it
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Old May 17, 2006 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by robtechfabrications
yall are trippin!!

obviously he's looking for a low budget tempory solution to make his car lower to fill the time between now and when he gets expensive stuff

i'll speak from personal experience with cut springs on an rx7

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i vote you cut your springs and as long as ur struts are ok you'll like it...if your struts are blown you'll hate it
Yeah, I guess blowing your shocks from too extreme a drop is not a big deal for you.


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