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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 09:51 AM
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Bearing is SAE. It's a QA1 WPB12T.

and yeah, that's how I did my tie rods, but if I were to do it again I'd probably just get the mazdatrix bumpsteer kit. I'm currently in the middle of fixing my bumpsteer right now and I actually have too much spacing on it in that picture.
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Old Jul 19, 2012 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by eage8
...I'd probably just get the mazdatrix bumpsteer kit.
Do you know if their kit uses an SAE rod end? I have a SuperNOW kit, and there is some binding at the limits of travel with a standard metric rod-end. I noticed you have the type of high-misalignment rod end I was trying to figure out how to use.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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It looks the same as the supernow kit, knowing mazdatrix it's probably the same thing:
http://mazdatrix.com/pictures/racing/BumpSteer1w.jpg

I would just take the 2 spacers out on the rod end and throw them against a bench grinder to get a bit more clearance (or on a lathe). it doesn't sound like you need that much more angle.

make them like this:
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 05:54 PM
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Still, if you are creating the part from scratch, I don't get why a US company would use metric, when there is a much better price/selection with SAE here (or in the world, it seems).

Hi-jack aside, how do these feel eage8 and ducktape?
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRodMex
Still, if you are creating the part from scratch, I don't get why a US company would use metric, when there is a much better price/selection with SAE here (or in the world, it seems).

Hi-jack aside, how do these feel eage8 and ducktape?
This is entirely personal preference, but I prefer having everything on my FCs be metric. Its such a pain trying to remember what hardware is fractional so that I dig out the right sockets to prevent stripping/rounding.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 06:37 PM
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Still, if you are creating the part from scratch, I don't get why a US company would use metric, when there is a much better price/selection with SAE here (or in the world, it seems).

Hi-jack aside, how do these feel eage8 and ducktape?
I don't think they did create it from scratch... I think they're actually the supernow tie rods. just like their camber adjusters are just AWR. I imagine it's also hard to find a turnbuckle that's metric on one side (inner tie rod) and SAE on the other. You'd probably have to make it yourself.

mine feel fine. They feel just like normal ball joints haha.

I can't really say much about the roll center being adjusted because I also made some other major suspension changes over the winter for this auto-x season. But the car feels pretty good.
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by eage8
I don't think they did create it from scratch... I think they're actually the supernow tie rods. just like their camber adjusters are just AWR. I imagine it's also hard to find a turnbuckle that's metric on one side (inner tie rod) and SAE on the other. You'd probably have to make it yourself.
No, I have the Supernow kit. They are different materials. Though it probably was their template for making their own.

...and that's my point, they have to make the sleeve with the two vastly different thread counts already (M14x2.0 and M12x1.0), why not just make it so you can use high-misalignment SAE rod ends? Trust me, I've tried to find these things already produced. I've catalog-hounded across continents and they don't exist. Even the Metric-SAE thread insert adapters aren't made in the right metric pitch. M12x1.0 for the tierod is apparently not used for anything else.

I killed my first set of rod-ends that came with the SN kit because they bind at the limit of travel (they were just two piece steel race). Now that I have some thee piece teflon ends, I can still see where the spacers are rubbing on the outside of the shank. The spacers are already as small as they can be where they meet the ball.


But enough of my tirade; I'll solve my own problems. It's good that this stuff is being made, at least
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