Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

You've obviously thought this out, but I think you're heading in the wrong direction.

IMO, when you supply a "kit" to people, realize that you're dealing with all sorts of people. Some are mechanically inclined with common sense and previous wrench time, and know what the do's and don'ts of these cars are. And others are literally clueless. I see this on a daily basis in my line of work. IF you're going to sell something custom to someone, you almost have to make it idiot proof, or you're going to run into problems. Theyll be tearing **** up, they won't be able to figure out how it goes together, and you'll have to answer the phone calls and the emails and take care of it all.

You'll save yourself a lot of trouble of you put it together in such a way that it can only go together one way, with no variation, and supply a single set of well illustrated instructions including color photos and removal/installation notes just as if you were the one working on their car, giving them tips and ideas along the way to avoid common snags.

IF I were looking at doing something like this, here's the direction I would go with it. All of them would use new or rebuilt turbo parts, and all would be supplied with a turbo. Letting people source their own turbo will open the door to mass confusion about what does and does not fit, given that turbine housings and compressor housings are different sizes, angles, and locations, and flanges can differ as well (between stock and t4, for example). I don't see that you could offer a single manifold, or a single downpipe, for all the kits if you allow them to use different turbos, because each install would then be unique based upon turbine housing choice.

Kit 1 would be the entry level kit designed for the guy without much money, or the guy just wanting a bit more get up and go. It would use a smaller turbo, similar in size to a stock turbo, or perhaps even a rebuilt stock unit. IF you get in good with a decent turbo builder you could get them done. Depending on how you go with this, you could either do wastegate porting on this stocker, or just block that off entirely and run an external wastegate in the manifold. You supply SS braided oil and water lines and fittings. For water supply and return I'd just give them some universal metal fittings to tap into the lower and upper radiator hoses, or maybe the throttlebody coolant lines...no drilling and tapping should be necessary, it's too easy to screw up a housing or an engine block for someone who doesnt know what they're doing. For oil I'd use one of those add-on pedestal attatchments like racing beat sells, and draw oil feed from there...put a plug in the other hole (there are normally 2) but leave the option to hook up a temp or pressure sensor there as well, if they want to remove the plug later. For oil drain you supply the line, and a stock FC oilpan modded to hook the line up to...just about anyone should have the ability to replace their oilpan, plus it gives them a good excuse to reseal their gasket which probably leaks anyway. You can get FC oilpans all day for nothing, and they're all the same thing for s4 and s5, turbo and non, so there are no interchange problems. Supply them with a 70* bend of 2.5 or 3" aluminum tube for a TID. Supply them with a downpipe that fits up to the stock main cat (or any stock replacement midpipe). IF including an external wastegate, vent it back into the downpipe so it's clean and quiet. Then I'd just throw in an adjustable FPR and a high flow fuel pump. Let them worry about their own intercooler and piping. This setup would run around 5-6psi and should be safe as is, around the 200-225rwhp mark. I'd price it around $1500-1800.

Kit B would be all of kit A, plus an FMIC setup, similar to the oldschool HKS system, with both pipe runs on the passengers side, and a medium size core that does NOT require cutting or removing the front bumper or reinforcement. Since the NA's intake is pointed that way, it works perfectly. Include a BOV with this, with flange already welded on. You could also consider adding a set of secondary injectors, which are easy to replace, and an safc (brand new, with base maps for this set of mods and instructions on how to set those maps up). The setup still runs at 5-6psi, but should be safe to 10. Add $800-1200 to the price of kit A. You could probably advertise hp for the kit around 250rwhp.

Kit C would include a totally different manifold, turbo, and downpipe, with external wastegate. Make it a medium turbo like a t04E, somethign with decent spool and decent pull all around. hook up with a new turbo supplier and get them for a few hundred each brand new. Include the FMIC kit from kit B along with those fuel mods. Consider a single or dual stage waterinjection kit as well. Sell this one for around 3500-4000. Hey, they ask that for a supercharger kit that adds 40rwhp. You could probably advertise this one as 300+rwhp easily.

Originally Posted by inflatablepets

I agree with the fist major points with you but if a person needs instructions on how to set this up, then they certinly don't need to be buying this kit.

Originally Posted by staticguitar313

i might i donno, depends on if james stops picking on me or not