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Old May 25, 2005 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BUMBLEBEE7
no piggy back. i do have a walbro fuel pump and fuel doesn't cut. the ECU control the injectors and the coils. Everything is stock except for inj, fuel pump, #8 to engine and #6 back to tank. I installed a MSD pack for spark and the TPS is not connected. If i was to tell you the recipe is from Puerto Rico would that make a difference. NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.
its all in the tuning.
the boricuas are rotary crazy AND like you said NOTHING is impossible but sometimes some things sound too good to be true, like a $3900 13B-REW swap which includes the labor to uninstall the stock motor in the FC, then the custom fabbing for the FD motor and possibly the tranny to sit in RIGHT and SAFELY(which we have yet to be updated on cuz the last time we saw it it seemed flimsy and not well reinforced) then the custom driveshaft and electronics to get it to run....my main concern is the labor.......because this is not going to be a 10 hr. swap that 1 person will do..... you need at least 2 people to do a swap and labor isn't cheap unless his shop is in Mexico.
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Old May 25, 2005 | 01:02 PM
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Awesome swap. I wanted to try it, but a lot of people said it is difficult, now you are saying it is not too difficult, so I am giving it a thought now.
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Old May 25, 2005 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Douketsu FC3S
Awesome swap. I wanted to try it, but a lot of people said it is difficult, now you are saying it is not too difficult, so I am giving it a thought now.
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Old May 25, 2005 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BUMBLEBEE7
no piggy back. i do have a walbro fuel pump and fuel doesn't cut. the ECU control the injectors and the coils. Everything is stock except for inj, fuel pump, #8 to engine and #6 back to tank. I installed a MSD pack for spark and the TPS is not connected. If i was to tell you the recipe is from Puerto Rico would that make a difference. NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.
its all in the tuning.
Thats pretty impressive. Knowing that its a Puerto Rican method makes sense, they seem to do a whole lot with very little and have amazing results.

I'm just suprised that fuel cut isn't showing its ugly head.

What does not connecting the TPS do?
I know it throws it into a sort of limp mode and makes it run super rich. But don't know what else it does

And what year ECU?


And when you mean its all in the tuning, you mean stock ecu tuning right, cause seems like you're not changing much

Thanks Bumblebee!

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Old May 25, 2005 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Madrx7racer
the boricuas are rotary crazy AND like you said NOTHING is impossible but sometimes some things sound too good to be true, like a $3900 13B-REW swap which includes the labor to uninstall the stock motor in the FC, then the custom fabbing for the FD motor and possibly the tranny to sit in RIGHT and SAFELY(which we have yet to be updated on cuz the last time we saw it it seemed flimsy and not well reinforced) then the custom driveshaft and electronics to get it to run....my main concern is the labor.......because this is not going to be a 10 hr. swap that 1 person will do..... you need at least 2 people to do a swap and labor isn't cheap unless his shop is in Mexico.
its not that nothing is impossible, its that he blatantly disagreed with himself in his own thread......meaning something isnt right somewhere.
but that something is in information, not his skills or labor. $3900 seems doable if you can find cheap enough frontclips, but I can't see there being much profit. :shrug:
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Old May 25, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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thats just it im not trying to make a huge buck here i get fron halfs for 2gs im jt trying to help out but i dont really give a f@#k any more do the swap your selfs the option for me to do it is off the table ill just sell the cradles for 800 like everyone else. the crossmember is built in a jig so they all are perfect.
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Old May 25, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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oh, that sucks.

still mind answering about your contradicting statements?
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Old May 25, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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There's no tuning with a stock ecu and upgraded fuel injectors and a fuel pump. Infact, the only reason it would work is because you're dumping such a stupid ammount of fuel in that it runs like **** anyway, in which case, there's no surprise there!
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Old May 25, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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what statements were
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Old May 25, 2005 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
There's no tuning with a stock ecu and upgraded fuel injectors and a fuel pump. Infact, the only reason it would work is because you're dumping such a stupid ammount of fuel in that it runs like **** anyway, in which case, there's no surprise there!
now you are talking junk, come to NY and i'll show you the car and it doesn't run like ****. I guess you are not that brightt after all. Show your skills if you have any, we dont buy bolt on stuff we make our own. I will post some pictures, see you at Etown PUNK
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Old May 26, 2005 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BUMBLEBEE7
now you are talking junk, come to NY and i'll show you the car and it doesn't run like ****. I guess you are not that brightt after all. Show your skills if you have any, we dont buy bolt on stuff we make our own. I will post some pictures, see you at Etown PUNK
Look...
Nobody said it was "impossible".

If it works for you, fine.
I know guys who claim a 60-1, stock ECU, 1600 secondaries runs fine.
It just happens the increase in airflow uses all the 1600's dump in there.
The T70 isn't that much bigger in terms of turbo size.

Now, stop pushing your **** on all of us.
Like I said before...if it works for you, then great.
What you're doing is NOT recommended, due to the overly gross aspect of controlling the fuel delivery - there is none.
Some of us actually have enough money to do it properly - at least fuel computer or stand-alone EMS.
So don't tell us our Haltech / Microtech / MoTeC is a piece of **** cause YOUR method works.
I really don't give a **** if your method works or not; I'm concerned for MY motor and MY car, which I will spend the money I can afford to try and do MY mods properly the way *I* think it's reasonable.

We got enough crap in this thread.
Go look for a fight elsewhere.
If anything, you set-up has NOTHING to do with the original thread subject.

Learn how to spell.
Learn how to capitalize.
Drop the swearing.
Use punctuation.
You sound like a 13-year old kid whining like a crybaby.


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Old May 26, 2005 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed

Learn how to spell.
Learn how to capitalize.
Drop the swearing.
Use punctuation.
You sound like a 13-year old kid whining like a crybaby.


-Ted
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Old May 26, 2005 | 02:15 AM
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Old May 26, 2005 | 02:53 AM
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Lol they need to lock this thread, this **** is getting out of hand. We got people threatning other people, others posting setups and starting arguments that have nothing to do with the original thread. Then we had the rew vs. 13bt motor. And thank god not many if any, 3rd gen owners are here to bash on us for bashing on their motor. There is no more usefull information comming from this thread... I doubt anyone would care to use 1600cc inj with only the stock computer to run them...

(Edit...for sig violation once again...you're on thin ice...)

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Old May 26, 2005 | 03:09 AM
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They will handle the same AFTER the rebuild but you have to put 2000 into a rebuild. the rew has lighter rotors and stonger housings. Plus you can get more for less so to speak with the twins. You can easily get 390 to the wheels with ecu down pipe boost cotroller fmic and more boost. You have to upgrade the turbo port work ecu injectors and many more mods to get the same output in the 13bt. Well se ill be at the august import race at pacific raceways any one that doubts my swap will see it there will have video up.

I am going with a boost up ecu from japan. have a contact over there who gets them for me. My dyno guy loves them he made 390 on a 13b t with justmore boost and downpipe stock injectors.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
If anything, you set-up has NOTHING to do with the original thread subject.

-Ted
He was just answering a couple of my questions. I'm just wondering how that thing is still running and how he's tricking the ECU into doing that.
I think its amazing and interesting
I would never go that route but its something good to know at least.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 03:43 AM
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whatever you think

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ha ha ya did i mention that his motor is now blown up nice poster child for why go rew his motor was built and it let go. theres stock fd running around with 390 all day long im tierd this is turning in to a fight club i was just trying to show what is easyly possible. arent we suposed to stick togeather ya know rotary against the world.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 03:47 AM
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post more pics of the setup
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Old May 26, 2005 | 03:50 AM
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there is update pics seach under updat of my engine swap
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Old May 26, 2005 | 03:54 AM
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page 7 ill have more as soon as i finish the wiring and get it running going to put it on the dyno at our shops grand opening in our new location june 19th. were having a bbq free food and such theres a about it w directions n stuff.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 04:45 AM
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good luck with the new shop!!!

secretary is your friend.
one of my friends started a rotary shop, and him and his partner started getting over stressed and were doing all the business part themselves and had a couple guys helping with labor.
long story short, that shop lasted about a year
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Old May 26, 2005 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Node
I'm just wondering how that thing is still running and how he's tricking the ECU into doing that.
I think its amazing and interesting
It is is neither amazing nor interesting. There's nothing clever about drowning an engine with fuel. It will kill detonation and keep the motor alive, but it will be making far less power (and using far more fuel) than it would it is had some form of fuel control.

BUMBLEBEE7, you're right in saying "it's all about tuning", but this statement does not apply to your car at all.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 07:37 AM
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i think the amazing part is that he doesnt hit fuel cut, like ive been asking.


still interested in knowing what all is going on with the car/ecu
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Old May 26, 2005 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Node
i think the amazing part is that he doesnt hit fuel cut...
Either boost is below 8.6psi or he has a FCD. What's amazing about either of those?

still interested in knowing what all is going on with the car/ecu
There's no rocket science here. Bigger injectors = tonnes of fuel. The ECU doesn't know what injectors are wired into it, it just reads the inputs and does what it was programmed to do. It's crude and inefficient, but there's no reason why it wouldn't actually work.
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Old May 26, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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he didnt list an FCD so i was assuming maybe hes running without



and a FCD is not the end all be all for fuel cut, they can still hit cut if it just tricks it into thinking its lower boost unless its a locking FCD
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