4SPresident

Okay, maybe not, but I was hoping it would get people to look here.

Seriously though... I really need help with my car, and there are 45,000 people here and only 1 person has the decency to respond to me? Wayne88N/A has been great, but no one else has any suggestions really.

Maybe a "try this" even if its a longshot, or even some BS to make me feel like people here are trying to help. I am used to Camaroz28.com where you can post a question and have 10 replies in 5 mins.

Is it true about people with imports not really knowing anything about cars? It seems so since no one on here is helping me AT ALL except Wayne really.

I REALLY REALLY REALLY want an FC. And I REALLY want to get the one I bought to run, but I need some help, from people who know about the cars..

Here is the problem up to this point for those who dont know:

Starter spins, does not make flywheel spin (verified). I have replace the tranny, and starter.. The starter IS good.

PLEASE!

White_FC

But anyway, your not doing something silly like trying to run a turbo transmission with a non turbo flywheel??

That would cause those symptoms...

2a+RoN

TRY THIS- Are there any broken teeth on either starter or flywheel causing it to not grip properly? I dunno, its a long shot, but i'm just trying to brainstorm here.

welcome to the board, I've usually gotten pretty good responses whenever I need help, so I'm sure you'll get some too.

P.S. 1000th post!

4SPresident

NO! NA Transmission and I can only assume since it is an 86 that the flywheel on there is NA as well, since the car is. I know for 100% sure the tranny i bought is NA. Besides, the other tranny I had was doing the exact same thing...

The teeth are in great condition on both the starter and flywheel....

2a+RoN

Are you sure the solenoid is thrusting out? you said it spins but it also has to push out to contact the flywheel?

4SPresident

I am positive... has been tested out of the car

Both starters i have work 100% correctly..

MOTOR IS NOT SEIZED BTW..

HAILERS

1. Go out to the car and measure the flywheel diameter and tell us what the result is.

2. The person you bought the car from.....what was their *story* about why they were selling the car?

3. I've posted threads on this site and gotten no answers before. Big deal. And I've only posted maybe five to ten threads, so my percentage rate of getting answers isn't all that high.

Ocelot

I wouldn't get too upset about the number of people to people who answer you ratio. Most of the people are guys who come here looking for help, and they are just checking up on the posts they made to see if some of the more technical people could answer the questions they had. Most people on the forums are guys like me who look to the educated rotary people for help.

4SPresident

1. I will do that tomorrow evening and get back to you.

2. I bought it from a mechanic shops yard right up the street. All the cars are sitting because something is wrong with them. Supposedly the car ran when it was brought there, but needed a transmission (and maybe a fuel pump if that makes sense...). The guy didnt want to pay the repairs, so he left it there. It sat for like a year, I saw it, offered him some cash, and took it off his hands under the assumption that it needed a tranny (and maybe a fuel pump LOL) and that it had an electrical problem (that was the connection to the alternator).

3. That is not very encouraging....

4SPresident

I can appreciate that Ocelot, but there has to be enough people on here who know something to help me out....

White_FC

Dude... How can we possibly help you? Without measurements, pictures even??

There is obviously some mis-matched parts, or a bad starter motor.

This is not a common problem..

4SPresident

I am going to get measurements tomorrow. What is standard size for an NA flywheel?... so I will know..

White_FC

IIRC, 11-3/4 inches.

Including ring gear.

Can you take some pics of the transmission/flywheel aswell?

4SPresident

Will do...

The transmission I just bougth a couple days ago from a junkyard and looks just like the one I had in there before..... Any distinctive features between an NA one and a Turbo one?

HAILERS

Maybe you can take the starter out.....then measure from the spot where the starter mounts to the flywheel ??? I don't really think you can measure the diameter of the flywheel with the transmission in the car....but if you can do that, do it.

I have a spare engine sitting on the garage floor and a transmission sitting out in the backyard and I MIGHT mate them up and compare the dimensions to yours.

When you took the transmission out......did it look like someone had been there????? As in ....bolts/nuts seemed to be caked with old grime indicating the thing had not been messed with in a long time....or the bolts/nuts were clean / half *** loose etc.

Been trying to figure out if the starter could be running backwards somehow but can't come up with a sensible configuration for that.

Speed_Machine

Is the starter getting enough power to spin the flywheel? You say the starter turns, but what does it do when it connects to the flywheel? Does it make any definative sounds?

totallimmortal

you try beating it? lol I dunno like they said it's not a common problem. but have you checked all the wires for the soliniod that engages the starter to the flywheel, you said that it works out of the car but try pulling the wires and reading the voltage when cranking the car

Hollywood56

I would check all the wiring of the starter and the selonoid first.Check if its getting power...just like totalimmortal said.....

Icemark

title of the thread updated to better reflect the question...

Like you think anyone would even bother to help, when you insult the board???

being a moderator prevents me from posting the real insults that I am thinking about someone that posts here with a title like that.

ViperKillerWannabe

The NA transmission has a smooth case/bellhousing, as opposed to the TII transmission which has ribs all over it.

Icemark

That is incorrect, both the non-turbo and Turbo have ribs.

A better difference would be that the Turbo (R-Type) tranny has an access plate on the bottom, while the M-type (non-turbo) will not.

White_FC

Not strictly incorrect......

The early N/A boxen, '85 -> '86 IIRC, had a smooth 'bell housing' much like the first gen rx-7 boxes.. (in fact.. Identicle to them...)

But yes, your distinction is definatly a more definitive way to see what box it is.

Icemark

He said case and bell housing. Both the non turbo and the turbo both have ribs on the case.

Too many people look at the tranny and say," OH I must have a Turbo tranny, because I have ribs on my tranny". Of course they don't.

Just trying to stop the incorrect rumors on the trannys.

HAILERS

So, 4Selpresidente....what they are saying, is look at the bottom of the bell housing. Do you have a rectangular plate there held on with four or five small bolts...OR do you have an approx one inch diameter hole instead. The one inch hole MIGHT still have a rubber plug in it. Those guys are just trying to figure out whether you have a turbo or non-turbo transmission in the car.

And my other post was not clear. I wanted a measurement from the mounting pad TO the flywheel , after you remove the starter.

4SPresident

It has the rubber hole thingy. Which I pulled. Which I used to look through today and this is what I found:

The starter meets with the flywheel (engages - solenoid = ok!) and the starter makes a spinning sound, but the actual gear on the starter does NOT move. The motor is NOT seized, it has been turned over by hand a couple of times.

This is a NEW starter, so I dont think it is the problem.

My best guess is that since the car had a wiring problem to begin with, the starter is not getting enough juice to turn the motor over, so the clutch inside of the starter disengages and it spins freely.

Can anyone verify that is possible, or can anyone offer other suggestions?