Hydrogen hyybrid
10-11-16, 11:47 PM
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Hydrogen hyybrid
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Ok, so I've been looking at this for some time now and have not been able to find any info other ghan this significantly cut down on heat from the engine. Can anyone give some insight about this for our cars.
My concern is weather this would affect oil being injected into the combustion chambers. Even if premixing.
This is supposed to allow for a more complete burn of fuel but what about the oil.
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Ok, so I've been looking at this for some time now and have not been able to find any info other ghan this significantly cut down on heat from the engine. Can anyone give some insight about this for our cars.
My concern is weather this would affect oil being injected into the combustion chambers. Even if premixing.
This is supposed to allow for a more complete burn of fuel but what about the oil.
10-12-16, 06:42 AM
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does it come with a Vortex generator too?
I think it's just another money grab..Junk..
On the other hand I can sell you a Canoe with a View.It has a 6 inch hole in it.It will allow you to See the Fish in the lake and increase your catching ability by 624.2%.
I think it's just another money grab..Junk..
On the other hand I can sell you a Canoe with a View.It has a 6 inch hole in it.It will allow you to See the Fish in the lake and increase your catching ability by 624.2%.
10-12-16, 08:42 AM
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I am not an expert, and I have not researched this at all, but from what I know, Hydrogen gas is explosive, where gasoline mixed with air is flammable. Therefore meaning Hydrogen will ignite easier and burn much faster than gasoline, so the ignition curve will need to be changed if any decent amount of hydrogen gas is used.
Also, it take a large amount of energy to split the hydrogen molecules from the oxygen molecules in water, which has to come from the alternator/battery, and to replenish this energy used, the alternator has to work harder, shortening its life, and making the engine work harder, causing it to use more fuel. Once the molecules are split, all you are doing is re-attaching the hydrogen to oxygen, which causes heat. So in the end, it will consume more energy than it provides, as some energy is lost as heat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
Also, it take a large amount of energy to split the hydrogen molecules from the oxygen molecules in water, which has to come from the alternator/battery, and to replenish this energy used, the alternator has to work harder, shortening its life, and making the engine work harder, causing it to use more fuel. Once the molecules are split, all you are doing is re-attaching the hydrogen to oxygen, which causes heat. So in the end, it will consume more energy than it provides, as some energy is lost as heat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
10-13-16, 12:18 AM
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Rotary engines work quite well on hydrogen, however a legitimate fuel delivery system is required. HHO kits are a scam and will not affect power or fuel economy.
The Premacy RX-8 is an example of a legitimate H2 rotary hybrid:
Mazda Hydrogen-Powered RX-8 ? Technology News
Mazda RX-8 Hydrogen Re and Premacy Hybrid RE - Motor Trend
You can also search the internet for the Mazda HR-X and HR-X2, which were hydrogen rotary prototypes built in the 1990s.
The Premacy RX-8 is an example of a legitimate H2 rotary hybrid:
Mazda Hydrogen-Powered RX-8 ? Technology News
Mazda RX-8 Hydrogen Re and Premacy Hybrid RE - Motor Trend
You can also search the internet for the Mazda HR-X and HR-X2, which were hydrogen rotary prototypes built in the 1990s.
10-13-16, 06:25 PM
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I received this from there tech guy:
Alex,
I wish I could tell you it will work in your wankel engine. Truth is, I have never heard of anyone trying. Not even on PESNWiki and they have pretty much the whole gamut of alt fuels in different engines.
In theory, I would say yes, it will work. I say that because of where the flash occurs in wankel engines. Some 40% of the combustion is happening when the rotor is at the equivalent of top dead center. Adding hho will delay that combustion to where 100% of the combustion is happening after top dead center (equivalent).
My thought is it would not take a lot of hho to make the engine more efficient being as the displacement is 1.3 liters.
Adding hydrogen enhanced air to the air intake will cool the exhaust to under 300 degrees F. This is because the steam created during combustion is basically high temperature water vapor which happens to be a decent refrigerant gas. As the volume of the combustion chamber expands, the water vapor cools rapidly which reduces exhaust combustion temperatures some 200 degrees from normal because hydrocarbon gasses are poor refrigerant gasses.
So, in theory I would say it would work. In any case it will not harm your engine just adding more hydrogen and oxygen to the intake.
If you decide to try this I will extend the time you have to return the system if it does not improve mileage by a minimum of 20% on the highway and reduce exhaust emissions.
Will be interesting to see how well it works. Cost to you would normally be $474.00 including mounting kit. I will contribute to the effort by reducing the cost to $394.00.
Let me know your thoughts. I'm willing to help with tech support as you go along.
Barry Hart
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Alex,
I wish I could tell you it will work in your wankel engine. Truth is, I have never heard of anyone trying. Not even on PESNWiki and they have pretty much the whole gamut of alt fuels in different engines.
In theory, I would say yes, it will work. I say that because of where the flash occurs in wankel engines. Some 40% of the combustion is happening when the rotor is at the equivalent of top dead center. Adding hho will delay that combustion to where 100% of the combustion is happening after top dead center (equivalent).
My thought is it would not take a lot of hho to make the engine more efficient being as the displacement is 1.3 liters.
Adding hydrogen enhanced air to the air intake will cool the exhaust to under 300 degrees F. This is because the steam created during combustion is basically high temperature water vapor which happens to be a decent refrigerant gas. As the volume of the combustion chamber expands, the water vapor cools rapidly which reduces exhaust combustion temperatures some 200 degrees from normal because hydrocarbon gasses are poor refrigerant gasses.
So, in theory I would say it would work. In any case it will not harm your engine just adding more hydrogen and oxygen to the intake.
If you decide to try this I will extend the time you have to return the system if it does not improve mileage by a minimum of 20% on the highway and reduce exhaust emissions.
Will be interesting to see how well it works. Cost to you would normally be $474.00 including mounting kit. I will contribute to the effort by reducing the cost to $394.00.
Let me know your thoughts. I'm willing to help with tech support as you go along.
Barry Hart
barryh@fuelgeniesystems.com
10-13-16, 08:56 PM
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You are having an email conversation with either a moron or a scammer. Hopefully it will not cost you $394.00 to realize this, but if it does then I guess that would be a rather inexpensive lesson in life that you can use when making more important decisions in the future.
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10-13-16, 09:49 PM
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You are having an email conversation with either a moron or a scammer. Hopefully it will not cost you $394.00 to realize this, but if it does then I guess that would be a rather inexpensive lesson in life that you can use when making more important decisions in the future.
The one thing i think is missing is a premix additive for HHO, which i conveniently sell. Nothing premixes better with HHO than pure snake oil!
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You are having an email conversation with either a moron or a scammer. Hopefully it will not cost you $394.00 to realize this, but if it does then I guess that would be a rather inexpensive lesson in life that you can use when making more important decisions in the future.
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You can order off of HolyCanoe.com
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10-15-16, 09:52 AM
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Ya know, I have a long history with these HHO scammers because about 8 years ago this **** was trying to overrun the forum on my website. It got bad enough that I combined all the topics into one and a few of us did our best to debunk the crap.
But, like a religious belief, someone so set up for confirmation bias, having a desperate need to justify the money they wasted, or being an outright scammer, it's a losing battle.
The topic of HHO has come up multiple times in this here forum before and ben well debunked. Like Pulstar spark plugs (remember that one?) and the like. A search for "hho", "hydrogen", etc. will dredge up the past threads.
I still have the link on my forum bookmarked:
Aaron's Homepage Forum - Hydrogen Fuel for Cars
Or, Google it. "hho debunked", "hho scam", etc. This is not a new idea, far from new in fact. Kits for this go back to the 30s.
And the simplest answer of them all, no need to invoke physics or anything more complicated than this:
If it worked, it would be standard OEM equipment on every internal combustion vehicle.
But, like a religious belief, someone so set up for confirmation bias, having a desperate need to justify the money they wasted, or being an outright scammer, it's a losing battle.
The topic of HHO has come up multiple times in this here forum before and ben well debunked. Like Pulstar spark plugs (remember that one?) and the like. A search for "hho", "hydrogen", etc. will dredge up the past threads.
I still have the link on my forum bookmarked:
Aaron's Homepage Forum - Hydrogen Fuel for Cars
Or, Google it. "hho debunked", "hho scam", etc. This is not a new idea, far from new in fact. Kits for this go back to the 30s.
And the simplest answer of them all, no need to invoke physics or anything more complicated than this:
If it worked, it would be standard OEM equipment on every internal combustion vehicle.
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