How to Mod your stock airbox to flow better
05-03-13, 02:47 PM
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05-03-13, 04:34 PM
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I really dont understand why folks want to just throw on a cone filter and say done. If you do this, it needs to be isolated and getting a fresh cold air source.
Unless you are asking for 400 HP, why not just modify the stock airbox? It has plenty of room if you remove the damn baffles.
Unless you are asking for 400 HP, why not just modify the stock airbox? It has plenty of room if you remove the damn baffles.
05-03-13, 04:39 PM
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GuiltySoul doesnt the cooling pannel block the cool air from your snorkel. Im just wondering because I was thinking about getting one, but have never seen one used with factory intake setup.
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Cold air comes up from below the snorkel. S5's have additional ducting in front of the snorkel's entrance for that purpose. So the cooling panel is certainly not helping.
Also, the S5 snorkel is larger ducting than an S4. So putting an S5 snorkel on an S4 is an upgrade all by itself, but could make R&R of the radiator cap a little more difficult if your running an S4 radiator.
To the OP, to clarify aren't you just talking about smoothing out the inside of the bottom and top of the airbox. Grinding down the little squares to make a smooth top and bottom interior surface, correct?
Also, the S5 snorkel is larger ducting than an S4. So putting an S5 snorkel on an S4 is an upgrade all by itself, but could make R&R of the radiator cap a little more difficult if your running an S4 radiator.
To the OP, to clarify aren't you just talking about smoothing out the inside of the bottom and top of the airbox. Grinding down the little squares to make a smooth top and bottom interior surface, correct?
05-03-13, 08:08 PM
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I really dont understand why folks want to just throw on a cone filter and say done. If you do this, it needs to be isolated and getting a fresh cold air source.
Unless you are asking for 400 HP, why not just modify the stock airbox? It has plenty of room if you remove the damn baffles.
Unless you are asking for 400 HP, why not just modify the stock airbox? It has plenty of room if you remove the damn baffles.
Coolness over function.
05-03-13, 08:59 PM
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As a guess, perhaps kind of like going to a higher amperage alternator. The devices are still only going to draw what amps they can use. But more amps available means less chance any of those devices will be starved.
So perhaps Mazda engineers reasoned that more air available at the junction is a better thing?
So perhaps Mazda engineers reasoned that more air available at the junction is a better thing?
05-03-13, 09:01 PM
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I don't see how this is really gaining any power? It is still restricted to the snorkle's size. This took a few hours of fabbing with minimal tools when I was living in an apartment. Theres a duct that comes from in the bumper area, passed beside the rad. I've had bugs splattered on the bottom side of the duct, and the bottom of the filter so it does draw fresh air and, plus any that is shoved in through the still in place oem snorkle.
This is not dyno proven on my TII, but I originally had it on my Na with a 2 1/4" exhaust and rb header and it put down 134hp and 132 ftlb to the wheels on a mustang dyno.
This is not dyno proven on my TII, but I originally had it on my Na with a 2 1/4" exhaust and rb header and it put down 134hp and 132 ftlb to the wheels on a mustang dyno.
05-04-13, 06:50 AM
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I don't see how this is really gaining any power? It is still restricted to the snorkle's size. This took a few hours of fabbing with minimal tools when I was living in an apartment. Theres a duct that comes from in the bumper area, passed beside the rad. I've had bugs splattered on the bottom side of the duct, and the bottom of the filter so it does draw fresh air and, plus any that is shoved in through the still in place oem snorkle.
This is not dyno proven on my TII, but I originally had it on my Na with a 2 1/4" exhaust and rb header and it put down 134hp and 132 ftlb to the wheels on a mustang dyno.
This is not dyno proven on my TII, but I originally had it on my Na with a 2 1/4" exhaust and rb header and it put down 134hp and 132 ftlb to the wheels on a mustang dyno.
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05-04-13, 05:05 PM
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I don't see how this is really gaining any power? It is still restricted to the snorkle's size. This took a few hours of fabbing with minimal tools when I was living in an apartment. Theres a duct that comes from in the bumper area, passed beside the rad. I've had bugs splattered on the bottom side of the duct, and the bottom of the filter so it does draw fresh air and, plus any that is shoved in through the still in place oem snorkle.
This is not dyno proven on my TII, but I originally had it on my Na with a 2 1/4" exhaust and rb header and it put down 134hp and 132 ftlb to the wheels on a mustang dyno.
This is not dyno proven on my TII, but I originally had it on my Na with a 2 1/4" exhaust and rb header and it put down 134hp and 132 ftlb to the wheels on a mustang dyno.
I believe I remember reading your post when you did that. I like it.
I posted this in case people didn't want to go as far as you did and just modify the stock box.
05-04-13, 05:08 PM
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Cold air comes up from below the snorkel. S5's have additional ducting in front of the snorkel's entrance for that purpose. So the cooling panel is certainly not helping.
Also, the S5 snorkel is larger ducting than an S4. So putting an S5 snorkel on an S4 is an upgrade all by itself, but could make R&R of the radiator cap a little more difficult if your running an S4 radiator.
To the OP, to clarify aren't you just talking about smoothing out the inside of the bottom and top of the airbox. Grinding down the little squares to make a smooth top and bottom interior surface, correct?
Also, the S5 snorkel is larger ducting than an S4. So putting an S5 snorkel on an S4 is an upgrade all by itself, but could make R&R of the radiator cap a little more difficult if your running an S4 radiator.
To the OP, to clarify aren't you just talking about smoothing out the inside of the bottom and top of the airbox. Grinding down the little squares to make a smooth top and bottom interior surface, correct?
I suggested possibly smothing out the inside of the box, although I haven't done it myself. I want to do this though.
05-04-13, 06:43 PM
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And yes I see that some people wouldn't want to get rid of the stock box, but this really wasn't any more difficult to do that cutting out plastic. I just can't see much of an actual hp gain with the trimming.
05-06-13, 09:34 PM
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It looked like you made it out of aluminum. Looks good, you fooled me. :p
My point of this post was to educate people how to open up the stock airbox system if they wanted to keep it, instead of relegating themselves to sucking hot air through an unsealed cone filter. Cone filters are wonderfull, if your keep them away from engine bay temperature air.
My point of this post was to educate people how to open up the stock airbox system if they wanted to keep it, instead of relegating themselves to sucking hot air through an unsealed cone filter. Cone filters are wonderfull, if your keep them away from engine bay temperature air.
05-06-13, 09:59 PM
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It looked like you made it out of aluminum. Looks good, you fooled me. :p
My point of this post was to educate people how to open up the stock airbox system if they wanted to keep it, instead of relegating themselves to sucking hot air through an unsealed cone filter. Cone filters are wonderfull, if your keep them away from engine bay temperature air.
My point of this post was to educate people how to open up the stock airbox system if they wanted to keep it, instead of relegating themselves to sucking hot air through an unsealed cone filter. Cone filters are wonderfull, if your keep them away from engine bay temperature air.
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05-06-13, 10:31 PM
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I think JohnV pretty much defined where the flow restriction is in the stock S5 n/a intake track and noted his findings and his solution:
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10601567
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10626094
The first picture is an older shoot of the engine bay of my car with that same CAI when it was first installed. The second photo is from last weekend.
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10601567
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10626094
The first picture is an older shoot of the engine bay of my car with that same CAI when it was first installed. The second photo is from last weekend.
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05-06-13, 11:43 PM
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I think JohnV pretty much defined where the flow restriction is in the stock S5 n/a intake track and noted his findings and his solution:
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10601567
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10626094
The first picture is an older shoot of the engine bay of my car with that same CAI when it was first installed. The second photo is from last weekend.
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10601567
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati.../#post10626094
The first picture is an older shoot of the engine bay of my car with that same CAI when it was first installed. The second photo is from last weekend.
05-07-13, 08:21 AM
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I've always wondered if those did any good. I really don't think those work very well at all. But routing the filter so that it sits in front of the radiator, or under the headlight seems to work. I don't see how those vented headlights do anything except for aesthetics, there's too much blocking the path. Like the headlight itself, and its housing.
05-07-13, 09:04 AM
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This is true, you'd probably need a decent sized scoop for it to really catch any air and even with that it will give diminishing returns (depending on your speed) , with the possibility of air eventually completely passing over it once a certain speed is reached.
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05-07-13, 09:05 AM
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I've always wondered if those did any good. I really don't think those work very well at all. But routing the filter so that it sits in front of the radiator, or under the headlight seems to work. I don't see how those vented headlights do anything except for aesthetics, there's too much blocking the path. Like the headlight itself, and its housing.
05-07-13, 09:36 AM
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i had a cone filter on my 3 rotor, and i removed the little rubber shield on the hood. with the headlights up, intake temps would drop a couple degrees
05-07-13, 04:40 PM
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actually i should say i never did any testing to see if my intake temps were high with a cone filter, i just noticed they would be lower with the headlights up