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View Poll Results: How much Horepower does your N/A have?
Not Enough
33
21.29%
100-125rwhp
14
9.03%
125-150rwhp
30
19.35%
150-175rwhp
35
22.58%
175-200rwhp
11
7.10%
200-225rwhp
7
4.52%
225-250rwhp
3
1.94%
250-300rwhp
0
0%
More than 300rwhp
2
1.29%
1,000rwhp cuz I gots stickers
20
12.90%
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Old Jan 1, 2003 | 09:51 PM
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Matt22. No you are not at 150 with the stock manfold. headers make a world of difference. I did not feel a difference compared to the streight pipe stock man BUT on the dyno ( side by side comparisons) the difference went from 142 - 158 rwp .. And im not close to maxed out yet. The reason why I didnt feel a difference with the headers is mainly because it gave me the same power curve throught the entire band very smoothly.

Your around 138rwp-145rwp im sure..... I also have ported manifolds and Pineapple sleeves , custom intake exc exc..
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Old Jan 1, 2003 | 11:24 PM
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I was following directly behind the S2000 for about 3 mins when I pulled out and blew past him. He tried to follow but failed.


My header actually lowered the torque of my engine in the lower revs before I ported my engine. Back when I was stock with the TB mod and headers my buddy's stock car would pull harder down low. Now that its ported there's way more power through the whole powerband.

Also, My poll answer was "not enough"
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Old Jan 1, 2003 | 11:30 PM
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My header actually lowered the torque of my engine in the lower revs before I ported my engine. Back when I was stock with the TB mod and headers my buddy's stock car would pull harder down low. Now that its ported there's way more power through the whole powerband.
Blah blah blah.

You got a dyno slip to back this up, cowboy? Or are we once again having to be subjected to the wondrous accuracy of your ***?
Maybe you just couldn't drive, and your buddy could. Or maybe your engine just sucked.

Again, a fly-by on an S2000 is not a race. If you are passing him, you've aleady got a huge jump on him. God, you sound like a ricer! "I beat an S2000 (even though he didn't know it was a race, and I already had 20 mph on him!)"
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy325i
I must be N/A...

I dropped it down into 3rd to blow pass a tauraus SHO who pulled in front of me (cutting me off) and happend to pull up on the S2000 as I was merging back into traffic. I left it in 4th and went flying past him and my buddy who was behind him said he stomped on it but never even began to keep up with me. I've messed with eclipse GSX's on the freeway before and they've always been embarassed. That S2000 was a joke.

I've hit legitimate 65.1's on my afm before and actually registered a 78.something today but thought it was bunk because I shifted pretty hard at the time. (I've hit 100% more than a dozen times from hard launches, but it floods when that happens so its not legit)
That S200 would have stomped a mudhole in your NA...unless youve done some extensive modding. Hell, the SHO would have beat you too.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 12:42 AM
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Hey sean, even with 2471 posts... You're still an *******. I'm not going to go running away because you want to contest everything I say. I really don't give a **** about your opinion. You just waste bandwidth after my posts.


And yes, I have very extensive modding. So much modding that little ego sean doesn't think my performance is possible because he didn't do it and I did.

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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 12:54 AM
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Hey sean, even with 2471 posts... You're still an *******. I'm not going to go running away because you want to contest everything I say. I really don't give a **** about your opinion. You just waste bandwidth after my posts.
Meh. Heaven forbid a chronic liar would think I am an *******. Not to mention hypocritical of you to call my posts a waste of bandwidth. Yours are just braggart bullshit.

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And yes, I have very extensive modding. So much modding that little ego sean doesn't think my performance is possible because he didn't do it and I did.
Mods so extensive his car no longer follows the laws of physics! Is your massive acceleration still so extensive that the laws of physics no longer apply?

It doesn't take an ego to be able to move the shovel and scrape the bullshit out of the way.... Just a sense of fact and realism, something obviously lost on you.

Honestly.... no one here believes your posts of bragging, especially when they go against time proven facts and you have no proof... so why do you waste our time?
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 01:14 AM
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I would have to agree with sean on this one. Point being if you are already passing someone you have a HUGE advantage, and that is not a race. Also there is no way to tell if he was trying to catch you.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy325i
Hey sean, even with 2471 posts... You're still an *******. I'm not going to go running away because you want to contest everything I say. I really don't give a **** about your opinion. You just waste bandwidth after my posts.


And yes, I have very extensive modding. So much modding that little ego sean doesn't think my performance is possible because he didn't do it and I did.
So now Im curious as to the extent of your modding and the numbers it produced that makes it such a bad *** NA...Care to elaborate?
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by BoostedRotors


So now Im curious as to the extent of your modding and the numbers it produced that makes it such a bad *** NA...Care to elaborate?
He can't afford a dyno, but "it's coming".
Dont worry, it will be "WELL OVER" 200 rwhp! Besting what everyone else is thus to have seen by 20-30 hp!

ALL HAIL JIMMY AS OUR ROTARY DEITY, FOR IN HIS TEACHINGS, HE HAS DEFIED THIS NATURAL WORLD"S THEORIES OF PHYSICS!

Speaking of which... where is the ITO-spec 200 rwhp engine we were promised a dyno to?
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 02:19 AM
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My my, you got some nerve Scathcart! I still think my 88 Integra will TAKE YOU OUT yo!

He He. Just joking. Hey we should meet up some time and go cruise. I need to get my NA rebuild done . . . I'd like to see the difference between a ported / full exhaust NA and an equally prepared T2 on the road. You ever been to the Portland track?
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 02:47 AM
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I've spelled it out before in other posts. Just search under my name. Or search hybrid n/a... something will come up.


Hummm.... Dyno tune a car that doesn't have the full extent of its mods done so I can prove something that I already know to people who's opinions don't matter to me. Nah! I'll spend that money on mods.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 03:20 AM
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Its like what I tell Honduh owners...

"Dont go to a dyno unless you want to leave with a bruised ego and a raging anger for all that money you spent on a car that doesnt make more than its stock rated horsepower"
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 03:37 AM
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Oh, thats not the case though. When the time comes to dial in all the mods then I will be spending some time on a dyno tuning. (unless my buddy gets the wideband O2 and then I'll just tune it on the street) Right now that money would be better spent on my fuel pump and secondary injectors.

I just bought new exhaust, struts, and springs in the last week. My cash is a little spent right now so getting the rest of my wish list isn't gonna happen right away.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy325i
What would it take to beat a `00 GSR teg.... Me lining up next to them.
we can beat GSR's too friend. but i guess its not that special because we dont have 200+ rwhp NA's.

Originally posted by Jimmy325i
Hell, beating the 240hp S2000 was a joke on the freeway and I left it in 4th.
oh yeah right.
was that guy racing you? NA's dont have **** uptop, there is no way you pulled an S2000 in FOURTH gear of all things. He even has a 6 speed so he could even put it in 4th on the freeway and be geared just right to be in vtec the whole time. i'm callin you out on this one jim.
bring that guy up to the strip and see what happens. (dont forget those time slips.)

btw, i arranged all posts in the 2nd gen section by name and found nothing started by jimmy325i about hybrid NA stuff. maybe it was posted a while back, i'll go search for it.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 05:02 AM
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I didn't start the thread. I'll see if I can find it myslelf.

If i really wanted to play, I would've dropped it to 3rd and roasted past him like I did the SHO.

N/A's have nothing up top. Um, yeah... you believe that.

Why do I know I can beat `00 teg GSR's... because I've done it. My buddy brandon had one. It was close before the rebuild. It wasn't afterwards. Now he's playing with a `97 A4 quattro 1.8T. (same one I drove back from alabama in for him the week before christmas)
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 05:11 AM
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"I have a hybrid 6-port motor with port matched and heavily ported lower intake manifold, big street port, header, full 2.5" open exhaust, s-afc, halmeter af30, ported intake elbow, 3" cone filter, TB mod, nothing but an alternator and a water pump, (funny, someone mentioned I'd need that setup when I already have it) e-fan, no vacuum ****, and LSD from a gxl."

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...5&pagenumber=2
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 10:36 AM
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I hate to say it guys but 200+ at the wheels is not that big a deal with a n/a motor. We are in mid development and are doing much better then that. As this is a compitition motor I will not give up all the details but the basics are: street port, ported later manifold, header, Haltech E6K, 3.5# flywheel, lightened rotors and E-shaft, different injectors, modified water pump. NGK race plugs... The secret is in the details and the tuning. 1600cc injectors are not going to do it. In fact I see a lot of the common mods actually rob HP on the dyno. If I had to pick one component that made the most difference it would have to be the exhaust. If you have the stock manifold do yourself a huge favor and buy a header. New dyno numbers are forthcoming and I will post them when the motor is ready.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Jimmy325i
"I have a hybrid 6-port motor with port matched and heavily ported lower intake manifold, big street port, header, full 2.5" open exhaust, s-afc, halmeter af30, ported intake elbow, 3" cone filter, TB mod, nothing but an alternator and a water pump, (funny, someone mentioned I'd need that setup when I already have it) e-fan, no vacuum ****, and LSD from a gxl."

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...5&pagenumber=2
You think your NA runs 13's?? Surely you can back that one up with a timeslip, eh? This I gotta see...
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 02:32 PM
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I'm going to ignore the flamage and add some good info.

I don't know if you guys were joking about adding HP with a light flywheel, but here is what M'trix says.

FLYWHEELS: The actual horsepower of the engine does not change related to the weight of the flywheel. However, to increase the engine RPM, and accelerate the car, all rotating weight (as well as the entire car) must be speeded up. This requires power, and the heavier the part, the more power needed to speed it up. The less power needed to speed up the flywheel (and rotors, clutch, driveshaft, wheels, tires, car, etc.) the more power available to speed up everything else. The question we are asked frequently - "How much more horsepower will my engine have with a light flywheel" - is not the right question, because the answer is NONE. What you will have is more available horsepower to accelerate the car and yourself down the road.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 02:36 PM
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Hi EProdRx7
Since you have been into racing so many years, maybe you can help me with this one...
My car runs silly rich (mods below) has got terribly gasmileage, something like 145 miles per tank and its got wrooom-fall idle when cold. And i have flames which i was told is not narmal on a N/A
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 03:18 PM
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Flames are normal on my n/a. You took the cats out which prevent flames from getting to the end of the exhaust piping. Flames are going to be common on an n/a without anything to spark off that rich afterburn in the exhaust.

As for the bad mileage. OUCH! I'm still seeing the high 20's when I keep my foot out of it on the freeway.

Zach, You're right about the HP figures not being any different from the lighter rotational mass. I run the puny 4 bolt brakes and the 12.5lb phone dials and the little n/a axle stubs, and the little n/a drive shaft for a reason. Its all lighter! Rotational innertia is a killer for accelleration. I'm still running the 24lb flywheel but that will change as soon as I commit to either modding the n/a tranny or going to the TII unit. (my rear end will stay n/a parts either way)

Those of you who think I'm bragging should note that I've never started a thread to boast about my performance. I simply have stuck some info in where I thought someone else who's looking to do the same thing I have done might see it. I've never had my car at the track yet and don't, and have never claimed to, have a 13 second time slip. Someone mentioned that a car I ran a dead race against was a 13.7 second car. Off that and what I can pull against other cars who have been to the track I make the inference that my car must be runing 13's. Every time I try to back up what I say, someone has to come flame me about trying to brag or being full of **** or something along those lines. I've been a good sport about it so far but its really getting old. I'm here to try and help others accomplish what I've done. Those of you thinking I'm here for an ego trip obviously don't have the first clue about me.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by Jimmy325i
Flames are normal on my n/a. You took the cats out which prevent flames from getting to the end of the exhaust piping. Flames are going to be common on an n/a without anything to spark off that rich afterburn in the exhaust.

As for the bad mileage. OUCH! I'm still seeing the high 20's when I keep my foot out of it on the freeway.
Thanks Jimmy youre an allright guy despite what all others say J/K.

I can make 20mpg tops. If i am easy on the pedal. Maybe its time to go for an cold airbox.

BTW I really dont care about the stupid-silly gasmileage. And I found out that the former owner didnt remove cats but a thermal reactor
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 05:31 PM
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what exactly does "hybrid 6 port motor" mean anyways? where does the hybrid part come in, are the ports off a different car or something?
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 06:06 PM
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You should know better than to even assume that your car is running 13's because it was even with a car that did. I have seen stock crx's take down stock 5.0 rustangs, but that doesn't mean that the crx would run that fast at a LEGIT strip. Things happen when racing on the street. Go do a run down a 1/4 and we'll see what kind of numbers you are really putting down.
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Old Jan 2, 2003 | 06:08 PM
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I think the hybrid part means he has a t2 intermediate housing

N/a's aren't that bad up top, I hit 100mph in 3rd gear at about 7500, and would hit 140+ in 4th before it topped out. I could beat more cars up top than down low.
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