HEAdlight switch/harness burn hELP!
HEAdlight switch/harness burn hELP!
I was driving my car like any other day and i begin to smell a burn a new smell that i have never encountered before! then my tail lights, sidemarkers and inside cluster lights turn off! so i get home and take my light switch off and find this:

and the harness also burned! however only the red/black wire and white/green wire seemed to have burned:

i have now cut and spliced my harness and added a harness end that i got from the junkyard along with a headlight switch i also got from the junkyard... so i soldered it in and plugged the switch back(without putting the cluster back, i left the harness and switch hanging) and
i noticed the headlight switch was getting extremely hot when i would leave the parking lights on for a while, i also noticed that the white/green wire would get extremely hot as well ad the red/black wire got warm but not too much...
so i decided to back track the issue and remove the non stock compenents ive added to my 88 NA GXL so i took my HID lights off, took off my aftermarket fog lights, and i tried taking the alarm off that i got put in it(or at least unplugged the parking light flash when locked/unlocked, horn and power door lock feature to see if that was the case since my taillights, cluster and side markers weren't functioning properly...)
after all that the wiring and headlight switch still managed to get really hot! after all that nothing! i also took apart the mazda sidestep thing and saw that the wiring along the side had been severed (mostly all of them) as if being tested for current or tested as a power supply for the alarm installation( im guessing) would that be something that could be casing the short or wat?
im getting frustrated and need help guys!
so i did my research and found this old thread but decided to to bring back as a new thread rather than posting on an old thread:
i need my tailights to function guys any tips would be helpfull
thanks
chris

and the harness also burned! however only the red/black wire and white/green wire seemed to have burned:

i have now cut and spliced my harness and added a harness end that i got from the junkyard along with a headlight switch i also got from the junkyard... so i soldered it in and plugged the switch back(without putting the cluster back, i left the harness and switch hanging) and
i noticed the headlight switch was getting extremely hot when i would leave the parking lights on for a while, i also noticed that the white/green wire would get extremely hot as well ad the red/black wire got warm but not too much...
so i decided to back track the issue and remove the non stock compenents ive added to my 88 NA GXL so i took my HID lights off, took off my aftermarket fog lights, and i tried taking the alarm off that i got put in it(or at least unplugged the parking light flash when locked/unlocked, horn and power door lock feature to see if that was the case since my taillights, cluster and side markers weren't functioning properly...)
after all that the wiring and headlight switch still managed to get really hot! after all that nothing! i also took apart the mazda sidestep thing and saw that the wiring along the side had been severed (mostly all of them) as if being tested for current or tested as a power supply for the alarm installation( im guessing) would that be something that could be casing the short or wat?
im getting frustrated and need help guys!
so i did my research and found this old thread but decided to to bring back as a new thread rather than posting on an old thread:
OK, here's the story. I've had this problem with the headlights on my 91 A/T since I bought it Charleston, SC, in the summer of 1999. When the headlight cluster switch was turned to the parking light position, nothing would happen. If it were turned further to the headlight position, only the headlights would come on. The only way to get the parking and instrument lights to come on was to turn the retractor switch (above the light switch) on, to keep the headlights up.
The guy I bought it from didn't know there was a problem, as this was his first (and probably only) FC. I knew better, however, so a couple days after I bought it, I tried to figure out the problem. I knew the headlight switches were prone to failure, so I grabbed a spare from my stock and went to replace it. Upon pulling the cluster panel, I found that the harness going into the back of the left (headlight) cluster switch had a jumper wire running from the retractor "up" wire (red/blue) to the instrument panel illumination wire (red/green). At first, I thought, "What idiot did this? No wonder the lights don't work right," and promptly dispatched the offending jumper with my trusty soldering iron (whoever did it at least had the sense to solder the connections). I then installed and hooked up the switch, fully expecting the lights to once again operate normally. Wrong! The HL were the only lights working again, and this time, of course, I couldn't turn the IC and P lights on by using the retractor switch (although, the retractor switch did still operate as it should).
Thankfully, I had the foresight to NOT reinstall the trim panel completely, but I did have to remove the cluster switch from the panel. No sweat, I figured, two bad switches can't be that uncommon, especially since I couldn't remember from which car I had taken the switch originally. I tried another spare, but that had the same results. No way, I thought, I can't have THREE bad switches. So, I pulled the switch from my daily driver, which, obviously, was known to be good. Still no luck.
So, after some choice words, and feeling rather foolish for having disconnected it in the first place, I reconnected the jumper wire and reinstalled the old switch (which I had confirmed to be working in my daily driver). Things were back to working again, just not as they should. I was done for the day, and decided to tackle the project some other time.
Well, that time never came, as I never drove the car (had 65k on it when I bought it, and has 69.5k today), and I ended up getting orders to Iceland in the fall of 2001. I thought of taking the car with me to Iceland, but decided the salted winter roads would probably ruin it. I ended up leaving it with my cousin back in Charleston, and left him instructions on how to turn the lights on.
I moved from Iceland to Norfolk, VA, this past June, but wasn't able to pick up the car for another month thereafter. When I got it back, it had about 500 more miles on it (he obviously hardly drove it, either), and the lights were still not operating properly. In fact, they had gotten worse, to the point where the switch had to be beaten on to get the HL down. I figured the contacts on the retractor relay were going bad, which was confirmed when I later pulled the switch apart. I picked up the two spare switches I had before returning to Norfolk.
After a few nights of driving, I noticed a smell that I couldn't place at first, but then realized it smelled like a hot iron (one you press clothes with), when the lights were on. I felt the panel in the vicinity of the cluster switch, and it was hot to the touch, but not hot enough to melt, of course. The next afternoon, I took the panel off to find that the heat sink for one of the components (transistor, I think) had melted
completely through the plastic housing. Thinking that the jumper wire must be causing the overheating problem, I tried again to remove the jumper wire, and again had no luck. I tried the spares, but only one worked, so I used it. The next night, I could tell the replacement switch was also getting too hot, so I removed it the following afternoon, routed the wiring to outside the panel, and connected the switch, leaving it hanging from its harness. After another couple days, I realized I couldn't risk having the one good switch I had left burn up as well, so I decided to use the original switch to turn and keep the lights on, and then I'd use the spare to turn them off, plugging each in for its assigned task. 
I continued this way for about two weeks. Then, finally, on the 18th, my household goods arrived. I spent a couple days organizing and unpacking, and tonight found my trusty 91 FSM, and set out to cure this problem once and for all.
First thing I did, of course, was remove the jumper wire. Then I broke out the DMM and chased voltages and continuities. What I found was puzzling.
According to the readings I was getting on the cluster switch harness, everything should have been working properly when using a known good switch. I tried jumping various terminals to see if I could get things to work. Interestingly, I could get the P and IC wires to work if I jumped across the red to red/green and red to red/black wires, respectively, but could not get the white/green wire to power the same wires when it was jumped from; this despite the fact that the white/green wire was showing +12V at all times (as it should). I even removed the cluster harness and jumped the wires at the connector from the front wiring harness, with the same results. The next junction back was the fuse block, and I had already determined all the fuses to be good by both visual and continuity checks. As I had already been at this for four hours, I decided I had nothing to lose by pulling and replacing the fuse.
And the clouds parted, and the cluster switch did say, "Let there be light!"
That was it, all along. A stupid fuse, which looked good, and actually was, just wasn't making a good connection because it was corroded.
Lessons learned:
1) Just because you have enough voltage doesn’t mean you have enough current.
2) If it seems that something very major is wrong, it's probably something simple.
3) Whoever wired in that jumper in the first place was REALLY an idiot!
Hope this was both amusing and informative.
Ren
The guy I bought it from didn't know there was a problem, as this was his first (and probably only) FC. I knew better, however, so a couple days after I bought it, I tried to figure out the problem. I knew the headlight switches were prone to failure, so I grabbed a spare from my stock and went to replace it. Upon pulling the cluster panel, I found that the harness going into the back of the left (headlight) cluster switch had a jumper wire running from the retractor "up" wire (red/blue) to the instrument panel illumination wire (red/green). At first, I thought, "What idiot did this? No wonder the lights don't work right," and promptly dispatched the offending jumper with my trusty soldering iron (whoever did it at least had the sense to solder the connections). I then installed and hooked up the switch, fully expecting the lights to once again operate normally. Wrong! The HL were the only lights working again, and this time, of course, I couldn't turn the IC and P lights on by using the retractor switch (although, the retractor switch did still operate as it should).
Thankfully, I had the foresight to NOT reinstall the trim panel completely, but I did have to remove the cluster switch from the panel. No sweat, I figured, two bad switches can't be that uncommon, especially since I couldn't remember from which car I had taken the switch originally. I tried another spare, but that had the same results. No way, I thought, I can't have THREE bad switches. So, I pulled the switch from my daily driver, which, obviously, was known to be good. Still no luck.

So, after some choice words, and feeling rather foolish for having disconnected it in the first place, I reconnected the jumper wire and reinstalled the old switch (which I had confirmed to be working in my daily driver). Things were back to working again, just not as they should. I was done for the day, and decided to tackle the project some other time.

Well, that time never came, as I never drove the car (had 65k on it when I bought it, and has 69.5k today), and I ended up getting orders to Iceland in the fall of 2001. I thought of taking the car with me to Iceland, but decided the salted winter roads would probably ruin it. I ended up leaving it with my cousin back in Charleston, and left him instructions on how to turn the lights on.
I moved from Iceland to Norfolk, VA, this past June, but wasn't able to pick up the car for another month thereafter. When I got it back, it had about 500 more miles on it (he obviously hardly drove it, either), and the lights were still not operating properly. In fact, they had gotten worse, to the point where the switch had to be beaten on to get the HL down. I figured the contacts on the retractor relay were going bad, which was confirmed when I later pulled the switch apart. I picked up the two spare switches I had before returning to Norfolk.
After a few nights of driving, I noticed a smell that I couldn't place at first, but then realized it smelled like a hot iron (one you press clothes with), when the lights were on. I felt the panel in the vicinity of the cluster switch, and it was hot to the touch, but not hot enough to melt, of course. The next afternoon, I took the panel off to find that the heat sink for one of the components (transistor, I think) had melted
completely through the plastic housing. Thinking that the jumper wire must be causing the overheating problem, I tried again to remove the jumper wire, and again had no luck. I tried the spares, but only one worked, so I used it. The next night, I could tell the replacement switch was also getting too hot, so I removed it the following afternoon, routed the wiring to outside the panel, and connected the switch, leaving it hanging from its harness. After another couple days, I realized I couldn't risk having the one good switch I had left burn up as well, so I decided to use the original switch to turn and keep the lights on, and then I'd use the spare to turn them off, plugging each in for its assigned task. 
I continued this way for about two weeks. Then, finally, on the 18th, my household goods arrived. I spent a couple days organizing and unpacking, and tonight found my trusty 91 FSM, and set out to cure this problem once and for all.

First thing I did, of course, was remove the jumper wire. Then I broke out the DMM and chased voltages and continuities. What I found was puzzling.
According to the readings I was getting on the cluster switch harness, everything should have been working properly when using a known good switch. I tried jumping various terminals to see if I could get things to work. Interestingly, I could get the P and IC wires to work if I jumped across the red to red/green and red to red/black wires, respectively, but could not get the white/green wire to power the same wires when it was jumped from; this despite the fact that the white/green wire was showing +12V at all times (as it should). I even removed the cluster harness and jumped the wires at the connector from the front wiring harness, with the same results. The next junction back was the fuse block, and I had already determined all the fuses to be good by both visual and continuity checks. As I had already been at this for four hours, I decided I had nothing to lose by pulling and replacing the fuse. And the clouds parted, and the cluster switch did say, "Let there be light!"
That was it, all along. A stupid fuse, which looked good, and actually was, just wasn't making a good connection because it was corroded. Lessons learned:
1) Just because you have enough voltage doesn’t mean you have enough current.

2) If it seems that something very major is wrong, it's probably something simple.

3) Whoever wired in that jumper in the first place was REALLY an idiot!

Hope this was both amusing and informative.
Ren
thanks
chris
okay i searched and found a thread in the archives and made my harness a heavy duty one as Icemark's write up says.... but yet both of my old fuse(brunt one) and the one i got at the junk yard gets really hot!!! so i pull it off to prevent damage to my new one ...
right here :

im done with trying to troubleshoot for the day ive been on this 4 days already so if anyone can help me
oh yeah and the solders shown also get really hot and actually burn....
right here :

im done with trying to troubleshoot for the day ive been on this 4 days already so if anyone can help me
oh yeah and the solders shown also get really hot and actually burn....
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Oh wow that happend to me man the same damn thing... i had to change out engine wire harness and the long harness that goes behind tha dash... **** was a pain in the ***... but i got it runnig again man Hit me up if you run into any problems man... peace!
are u serious?!
i dont even wanna drive it at night cuz i think my lights are gonna damage more stuff!
oh yeah and my new switch is fine when i plugged it in it got warm but i didnt want to wait for it to heat up too much so u unpligged it?
how warm is it supposed to be? like warm to the touch when its on?
i dont even wanna drive it at night cuz i think my lights are gonna damage more stuff!
oh yeah and my new switch is fine when i plugged it in it got warm but i didnt want to wait for it to heat up too much so u unpligged it?
how warm is it supposed to be? like warm to the touch when its on?
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how do u use effectively remove the corrosion on the parking lights?
like icemark(r.i.p) says to do so? he mentions conductive grease?
by "parking lights he meant the font and rear sidemarkers, the tailights, and the front turn signals right????
like icemark(r.i.p) says to do so? he mentions conductive grease?
by "parking lights he meant the font and rear sidemarkers, the tailights, and the front turn signals right????
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Let's see what you did to the harness to make it heavy duty... You may need a new harness if it's too melted or too hacked up.
You definitely need the headlight switch rebuilt though.
You definitely need the headlight switch rebuilt though.
The switch is what is causing your problem like other users as telling you. Fix the problem, then replace anything that burned up....
You can either rebuild your switch or get a new one from mazdatrix
You can either rebuild your switch or get a new one from mazdatrix
ok so i took apart all the sidemarkers and front turn signals...
the front and rear side markers didnt have anything unusual
but the front turn signals where really corroded!!! even the bulb was all krustified so i got some steel wool and a drill and polished the contack up and packed it with conductive grease even the sidemarkers and tail lights...im going to do all interior lights as well
the front and rear side markers didnt have anything unusual
but the front turn signals where really corroded!!! even the bulb was all krustified so i got some steel wool and a drill and polished the contack up and packed it with conductive grease even the sidemarkers and tail lights...im going to do all interior lights as well
really? well now that i did the outside lights im going to start to do the interior bulbs as well tomorrow thanks nate...
and i the headlight switch that i showed u guy earlier(the burnt up one) still works and im thinking of using that one untill i get another one that is either rebuilt or new... pele i pm'd u about the switch.
and i the headlight switch that i showed u guy earlier(the burnt up one) still works and im thinking of using that one untill i get another one that is either rebuilt or new... pele i pm'd u about the switch.
the late great icemark made a whole thread on this.
instead of the whole circuit getting power from the switch and that wire, you simply wire in a relay and do some wizzardry with some bits of wire and a soldering gun, and you have one that will never bust. icemark wrote a how to on this.
instead of the whole circuit getting power from the switch and that wire, you simply wire in a relay and do some wizzardry with some bits of wire and a soldering gun, and you have one that will never bust. icemark wrote a how to on this.
how did u wire the fogs?... if u direct power it with the headlights then you will burn it... i burn mines too cause i direct it with the headlights cause my fogs didnt work with the switch... once i took it off it didnt burn no more
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Follow the relay write up by Icemark:
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-gen-archive-72/heavy-duty-light-switch-operation-how-too-prevent-burnout-164931/
And you may tap into pin 87 of the relay to trigger your fog light relay.
As with ANY fog light setup, I suggest using another relay to power those.
Put pin 87 direct to a fuse and to the battery + terminal.
Put pin 30 wired to your fog lights.
Put pin 85 to Ground.
Put pin 86 to the wire you tapped off from the harness above. This way,the fog lights will come on any time the parking/marker lights are on.
You will not risk damage to the switch or harness this way. The fog lights are getting their power direct from the battery. The illumination system is only triggering the relay which takes very little power.
thats exactly what i did pele, an alarm wiring installing expert helped me do that set up but yet my switch still gets hot im going to get it rebuilt check your inbox Pele
okay i know the holidays came and its been hard for me to get a hold of asomeone tahtat rebuilds headlight switches so...
who rebuilds them... ive been needing one thats already rebuild or mine rebuilt since i opened this thread
who rebuilds them... ive been needing one thats already rebuild or mine rebuilt since i opened this thread
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