has any one a reliable standalone set up
11-04-10, 07:59 PM
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has any one a reliable standalone set up
has any one a reliable standaloe set up...im in the market for one
i have a bnr stage 2 ..fmic and a walboro
im just looking for reliability 300+ hp
a daily driver
if you have a reliable set up
give me some insight in what you have done for a simple setup
i have a bnr stage 2 ..fmic and a walboro
im just looking for reliability 300+ hp
a daily driver
if you have a reliable set up
give me some insight in what you have done for a simple setup
11-04-10, 08:05 PM
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We have adapted the FD AEM for use in the FC and it works perfectly. The FD Power FC can also be adapted, I would talk to Banzai Racing about this.
Obviously there are other standalones but the AEM would be my weapon of choice.
Obviously there are other standalones but the AEM would be my weapon of choice.
11-04-10, 09:53 PM
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The AEM requires only moving a few pins in the ECU plug and wiring in a single ECU connector (available new, not expensive, like three/four wires total to install) and MAP and IAT sensors. It then plugs into the existing OEM harness with no extension harness etc. needed. Uses Factory harness just fine. the POWER FC can also run the car with some pin movement, but again contact Banzai racing regarding this.
I personally do not care for Haltech, Megasquirt, etc. as they seem to need constant tweeking and fiddling to gain reliability. For insight on this just check the ECU section of this forum and see how busy the Haltech and MS sections are. The AEM just runs the car.
I personally do not care for Haltech, Megasquirt, etc. as they seem to need constant tweeking and fiddling to gain reliability. For insight on this just check the ECU section of this forum and see how busy the Haltech and MS sections are. The AEM just runs the car.
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11-04-10, 10:16 PM
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Rtek, I wouldn't waste the money on anything more if my plans for the car were just that. Think ahead though, will you be planning on modding the car even further in the future (bigger ports and/or turbo, higher numbers, etc)? If so then you may as well go and get a good standalone. Haltech seems to be the weapon of choice though from what I've seen mostly.
But like mentioned previously, Rtek is the most practical for your needs stated.
But like mentioned previously, Rtek is the most practical for your needs stated.
11-04-10, 10:58 PM
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The AEM requires only moving a few pins in the ECU plug and wiring in a single ECU connector (available new, not expensive, like three/four wires total to install) and MAP and IAT sensors. It then plugs into the existing OEM harness with no extension harness etc. needed. Uses Factory harness just fine. the POWER FC can also run the car with some pin movement, but again contact Banzai racing regarding this.
I personally do not care for Haltech, Megasquirt, etc. as they seem to need constant tweeking and fiddling to gain reliability. For insight on this just check the ECU section of this forum and see how busy the Haltech and MS sections are. The AEM just runs the car.
I personally do not care for Haltech, Megasquirt, etc. as they seem to need constant tweeking and fiddling to gain reliability. For insight on this just check the ECU section of this forum and see how busy the Haltech and MS sections are. The AEM just runs the car.
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Yeah?
Well my experience is that I stuck an FD EMS 1800 box in a 91 vert and it lit right off after I moved a few pins around in the harness. IIRC I did not even have the fourth connector the FD uses hooked in at that time. we used it to diagnos a bad Haltech box.
I then put the same ECU in the Hillclimb FC turbo, loaded a basemap, started the car on E-85 and drove it onto the trailer. One hour of dynotime later, we had 366whp and excellemt throttle response and boost transistion so we loaded it back in the trailer and ran the Pikes Peak International Hillclimb. the car went out due to lack of fuel. The car started perfectly during all temperatures, which included 100deg temps one day, and rain and snow on raceday. I have customers who do not even own laptops and have no idea or even the desire to hook up to the AEM, it just runs the car and thats that.
The Haltech is much better than it used to be, but with their legendary customer service- its always your fault, not thier wiring harness or ecu, unless of course you send them proof the wiring harness was wired wrong, then it is a "bad batch" that just never happens, reliability issues (too many dead boxes for my tastes) and IMO (MY OPINION) the user interface sucks.
I will say the platinum series is better, but I wont put one in anything unless I absolutely have to.
Also, I should note that I am speaking of the S5 FC, not the S4 FC. You can still put an AEM EMS in one, but you will need an adaptor harness from autosport wiring (Rich is a great guy, very helpful) or you can just have an engine harness built.
Well my experience is that I stuck an FD EMS 1800 box in a 91 vert and it lit right off after I moved a few pins around in the harness. IIRC I did not even have the fourth connector the FD uses hooked in at that time. we used it to diagnos a bad Haltech box.
I then put the same ECU in the Hillclimb FC turbo, loaded a basemap, started the car on E-85 and drove it onto the trailer. One hour of dynotime later, we had 366whp and excellemt throttle response and boost transistion so we loaded it back in the trailer and ran the Pikes Peak International Hillclimb. the car went out due to lack of fuel. The car started perfectly during all temperatures, which included 100deg temps one day, and rain and snow on raceday. I have customers who do not even own laptops and have no idea or even the desire to hook up to the AEM, it just runs the car and thats that.
The Haltech is much better than it used to be, but with their legendary customer service- its always your fault, not thier wiring harness or ecu, unless of course you send them proof the wiring harness was wired wrong, then it is a "bad batch" that just never happens, reliability issues (too many dead boxes for my tastes) and IMO (MY OPINION) the user interface sucks.
I will say the platinum series is better, but I wont put one in anything unless I absolutely have to.
Also, I should note that I am speaking of the S5 FC, not the S4 FC. You can still put an AEM EMS in one, but you will need an adaptor harness from autosport wiring (Rich is a great guy, very helpful) or you can just have an engine harness built.
11-05-10, 06:00 AM
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it usually IS your fault why the car is not reliable or functioning correctly.
You have received plenty of answers, my advise would be to first research WHO is going to tune your car and if they are capable of tuning the computer you have in mind, if you end up with a set up no one around you knows how to tune it will be terrible. You will outgrow your 300hp set up, trust everyone on that, so consider going with something that will grow with you
If you rely on emailing others for their maps it will be terrible
If you do not know how to tune leave it to a pro, DO NOT rely on others over a forum for the tuning of your car.
I would also like to throw WOLF out there, if you have someone who can tune it they offer a plugin patch so that you can leave your stock wiring, I doubt you will go with Wolf but if you do I happen to have a S4 plugin should you decide to go with them.
You have received plenty of answers, my advise would be to first research WHO is going to tune your car and if they are capable of tuning the computer you have in mind, if you end up with a set up no one around you knows how to tune it will be terrible. You will outgrow your 300hp set up, trust everyone on that, so consider going with something that will grow with you
If you rely on emailing others for their maps it will be terrible
If you do not know how to tune leave it to a pro, DO NOT rely on others over a forum for the tuning of your car.
I would also like to throw WOLF out there, if you have someone who can tune it they offer a plugin patch so that you can leave your stock wiring, I doubt you will go with Wolf but if you do I happen to have a S4 plugin should you decide to go with them.
11-05-10, 06:08 AM
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kill it with BOOMSTICK!
I'm running a Haltech e11v2, and it's never missed a beat, even driving back and forth to work when it was 50 miles each way. Hell, the only problem it ever had was because of a 20 year old, 225,000 mile charging system.
11-05-10, 02:56 PM
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The tune is highly important. But don't pretend that Haltechs and Megasquirts aren't more sensitive/less forgiving of wiring and electrical noise--at least, the older ones. I can't speak for MS3 and the Platinum Sport boxes.
A decent 20+ year old OEM harness will run your car all day long with zero electrical issues if your plug-and-play ECU has good noise filtering. I've had a Power FC on my car with a factory harness for a few years now. The Power FC has its limitations but random motor-blowing CAS noise just doesn't occur, even with an old harness and a factory crank angle sensorr.
Microtech shouldn't even be in this discussion because they won't let you save maps. Even my NES Zelda cartridge lets you save your game.
A decent 20+ year old OEM harness will run your car all day long with zero electrical issues if your plug-and-play ECU has good noise filtering. I've had a Power FC on my car with a factory harness for a few years now. The Power FC has its limitations but random motor-blowing CAS noise just doesn't occur, even with an old harness and a factory crank angle sensorr.
Microtech shouldn't even be in this discussion because they won't let you save maps. Even my NES Zelda cartridge lets you save your game.
11-05-10, 04:08 PM
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that being said if I were to buy a new unit it' be the new haltech sprint RE more than likely.
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The tune is highly important. But don't pretend that Haltechs and Megasquirts aren't more sensitive/less forgiving of wiring and electrical noise--at least, the older ones. I can't speak for MS3 and the Platinum Sport boxes.
A decent 20+ year old OEM harness will run your car all day long with zero electrical issues if your plug-and-play ECU has good noise filtering. I've had a Power FC on my car with a factory harness for a few years now. The Power FC has its limitations but random motor-blowing CAS noise just doesn't occur, even with an old harness and a factory crank angle sensorr.
Microtech shouldn't even be in this discussion because they won't let you save maps. Even my NES Zelda cartridge lets you save your game.
A decent 20+ year old OEM harness will run your car all day long with zero electrical issues if your plug-and-play ECU has good noise filtering. I've had a Power FC on my car with a factory harness for a few years now. The Power FC has its limitations but random motor-blowing CAS noise just doesn't occur, even with an old harness and a factory crank angle sensorr.
Microtech shouldn't even be in this discussion because they won't let you save maps. Even my NES Zelda cartridge lets you save your game.
FWIW I have a car in right now with a Platinum box and it had timing issues of one sort or the other. Once the engine is back together I will try and report what the root cause was.
11-05-10, 06:46 PM
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Teeheehee No "out of car" editing right? Oddly enough that must be the trade off as I've read they are the only computers "immune" to this electrical noise. I have a tried an true haltech E6k and I found it very easy to use. I'm no expert though and I am always ******* (up) with things, but it's working despite me. It's very frustrating though as I do "see" the electrical interference despite my using some high quality stainless steel woven wiring wrap and routing the harness properly. I guess some of us just have to deal with the CAS being right next to the alternator more than others.
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