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No one is disputing that GS represent GTUS, because it represents custom ordered models. Continuing to try to confirm something that has been confirmed but does not prove anything more than it is a custom ordered car. Not one picture about the GS model has confirmed it came with turbo 16” rims. it’s just those who do not have the proper proof to back the claims and are avoiding it.
There are only seven confirmed GTUS models. Everything else has not been proven and it is very clear what it takes to prove it. Door identification tags, Vin number on the firewall and a picture of the outside of the car.
All of the claims hear about production numbers and re-stamped models have been discredited as well as the previous list. If you cannot prove you have one of these cars then you do not have one of these cars. Stop avoiding requiring proof please, it is not hard to prove.
Last edited by Rotary Police; 07-02-20 at 06:01 PM.
No one is disputing that GS represent GTUS, because it represents custom ordered models. Continuing to try to confirm something that has been confirmed but does not prove anything more than it is a custom ordered car. Not one picture about the GS model has confirmed it came with turbo 16” rims. it’s just those who do not have the proper proof to back the claims and are avoiding it.
There are only seven confirmed GTUS models. Everything else has not been proven and it is very clear what it takes to prove it. Door identification tags, Vin number on the firewall and a picture of the outside of the car.
All of the claims hear about production numbers and re-stamped models have been discredited as well as the previous list. If you cannot prove you have one of these cars then you do not have one of these cars. Stop avoiding requiring proof please, it is not hard to prove.
One of us is missing the others point. What do you mean by custom ordered model? Do you mean a model that a customer went into the dealer and custom ordered? If so I don't think that is correct as far as the GTUs is concerned. They were another model in the '89-'90 model line up and sent out to the auto magazines for testing as well. As the below video shows. I didn't think dealers custom ordered cars just to put in the showroom. I thought they had what were the normal models. Mine sat on the showroom floor for 10 months. That doesn't seem custom ordered to me, but hey I'm not a car dealer so what do I know.
Dealer custom order/customer custom order through dealer. Same thing, same code. Using the one motor weekly video and the brochure does not change this. Why is everyone avoiding posting pictures of the cars they claim to have that are GTUs models? Why is everyone avoiding the GTUs models I found on Facebook and posted here? I am starting to think that I am just being trolled and they do not actually care about finding and cataloging the rarest models of fc.
Please, just post pictures of the cars and prove they are real. I’m starting to think they are all crushed, scraped, totaled or just fake to begin with. The second GTUs on the confirmed list that was mint and claimed still around was just shown to be destroyed and is now being restored. So how many actually exist and how many can we prove actually existed!?!
Dealer custom order/customer custom order through dealer. Same thing, same code. Using the one motor weekly video and the brochure does not change this. Why is everyone avoiding posting pictures of the cars they claim to have that are GTUs models? Why is everyone avoiding the GTUs models I found on Facebook and posted here? I am starting to think that I am just being trolled and they do not actually care about finding and cataloging the rarest models of fc.
Please, just post pictures of the cars and prove they are real. I’m starting to think they are all crushed, scraped, totaled or just fake to begin with. The second GTUs on the confirmed list that was mint and claimed still around was just shown to be destroyed and is now being restored. So how many actually exist and how many can we prove actually existed!?!
The GTUs was a model in the line up though. I pretty sure Mazda didn't send cars only available through dealer custom orders out to the automtive media to test. Only models in the current line up. The Motorweek video was just an example that they sent the cars out to be tested thus they would be a model in the model line up. Turbo II, GXL, GTUs, and GTU were models in the line up for 1989. A dealer didn't have to custom order a GTUs to get one. They just ordered it the same way they would a GXL or GTU. I don't have a brochure. Wish I did. I have the binder that came with the car that has the Owners manual and other stuff that comes with a new car. Here how about pictures from the actual owners manual. Is this enough to prove the GTUs wasn't a custom order and is a model in the lineup like any other those years?
As to the cars on Facebook. The forum isn't as active as it once was so those people may not even come here and know these GTUs threads exist.
I'm not avoiding anything. My pictures have been posed and verified. I was just trying to clear up a detail I think you're wrong about.
Dealer custom order/customer custom order through dealer. Same thing, same code. Using the one motor weekly video and the brochure does not change this. Why is everyone avoiding posting pictures of the cars they claim to have that are GTUs models? Why is everyone avoiding the GTUs models I found on Facebook and posted here? I am starting to think that I am just being trolled and they do not actually care about finding and cataloging the rarest models of fc.
Please, just post pictures of the cars and prove they are real. I’m starting to think they are all crushed, scraped, totaled or just fake to begin with. The second GTUs on the confirmed list that was mint and claimed still around was just shown to be destroyed and is now being restored. So how many actually exist and how many can we prove actually existed!?!
The GTUs was a model in the line up though. I pretty sure Mazda didn't send cars only available through dealer custom orders out to the automtive media to test. Only models in the current line up. The Motorweek video was just an example that they sent the cars out to be tested thus they would be a model in the model line up. Turbo II, GXL, GTUs, and GTU were models in the line up for 1989. A dealer didn't have to custom order a GTUs to get one. They just ordered it the same way they would a GXL or GTU. I don't have a brochure. Wish I did. I have the binder that came with the car that has the Owners manual and other stuff that comes with a new car. Here how about pictures from the actual owners manual. Is this enough to prove the GTUs wasn't a custom order and is a model in the lineup like any other those years?
As to the cars on Facebook. The forum isn't as active as it once was so those people may not even come here and know these GTUs threads exist.
I'm not avoiding anything. My pictures have been posed and verified. I was just trying to clear up a detail I think you're wrong about.
I was told by the WA dealership that GS means custom order model when trying to verify that GTU as a GTUs because it came with all options but the turbo rims. Thus why the lacking rims details is a killer for that proof. The GTUs was not a production line model but a very limited custom order dealership model. Thus why there cannot even be 100 found in all of Mazda’s history.
I was not stating you had not proven your car legitimate but wondering why 33 others have not and why no one is helping it get posted here if they can be sourced. Which again I thank you for the pictures and saving that amazing machine! And the pictures of the options are gold! Love it!!!
Last edited by Rotary Police; 07-04-20 at 04:51 PM.
So, I understand you said a dealership employee said GS was for custom ordered models, but the letter shown saying GS was a GTUs model designation only came directly from a Mazda USA employee. My wife works in the corporate office for one of the larger dealer groups in the country, and has a lot of contact with different dealers, and what I've learned through talking with her is, at a dealer level, most of those guys know a lot less than they think they do. A Mazda dealer employee is not going to know as much or have the same access as a corporate Mazda level employee. You're going to get differing info from dealer to dealer, because they don't have all the info. You said you've seen a GTU that had the GS model code, but I think that would require verification more-so than us trying to prove the other way around. So far every claimed GTUs with a vin I have has come up with the GS code, as an actual Mazda USA employee has stated they are. but I'd love to see a vin number that comes up as a GTU and GS model code like some random guy at a dealership claims.
If we can get that proof, then I'll believe you and stop the GS model code argument, but until then it's us believing the words of an actual corporate Mazda USA employee over you believing the words of some guy at a Mazda dealership.
We have plenty of solid evidence on our side. Burden of proof is on you to find a Vin of a non GTUs that comes up with the GS model code. your Hear-Say from random dealership employee B isn't any sort of proof that we're wrong.
Gs means custom model according to Mazda USA and Japan. The GTUs was a custom model line. Thus not produced in 86,87,88,91 and 92. End of debate, now find the real GTUs models and post the proof they are real! Because the irony in the comments here is the 20 year long thread you posted it on has required zero proof to back the claims people made about their cars here. So much so that there was sunroof GTU models posted and until I started pointing out the lacking proof and requiring it, you all were content with no proof.
So if you make the claim you have a GTUs then prove it. Door tags to show it came with turbo rims, vin on the firewall to authenticate door ID tags and a outside shot of the car.
if you cannot provide the proof of the car existing with those three pictures you cannot prove it exists and you have not proved your claims.
That is why there are two lists now. The authentic one where you must verify your claims with picture evidence of the physical car or the one that had a GTU on it and does not require nor even know how to require proof. This thread is dead unless you can post proof to the claims you have made about the GTUs on the list here.
Thanks!
Last edited by Rotary Police; 07-08-20 at 02:44 PM.
No. Simply no. Stop saying a 'custom' model line. It was a 2 year model inside the S5 FC generation. What was also not run through the entire FC lifecycle? Luxury Coupe, the SE and the Sport. Are all of these 'custom' too? Stop the nonsense. Please.
Narfle: Any proof to your assertion that any other model would have the GS designation? Haven't seen it yet. My proof that the GS IS the GTUs, was provided. Nothing to the contrary has shown up except further VIN decoding by j9fd3s showing the internal trim codes.
Nobody here minds the extra layers of authenticity being required but the stickers, wheels, parts etc are just circumstantial that signal what a car could be. The VIN is the only thing that can confirm what the car was born with, and that VIN would decode to a GS if it was a real GTUs.
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Originally Posted by Rotary Police
Gs means custom model according to Mazda USA and Japan. The GTUs was a custom model line. Thus not produced in 86,87,88,91 and 92. End of debate, now find the real GTUs models and post the proof they are real! Because the irony in the comments here is the 20 year long thread you posted it on has required zero proof to back the claims people made about their cars here. So much so that there was sunroof GTU models posted and until I started pointing out the lacking proof and requiring it, you all were content with no proof.
So if you make the claim you have a GTUs then prove it. Door tags to show it came with turbo rims, vin on the firewall to authenticate door ID tags and a outside shot of the car.
if you cannot provide the proof of the car existing with those three pictures you cannot prove it exists and you have not proved your claims.
That is why there are two lists now. The authentic one where you must verify your claims with picture evidence of the physical car or the one that had a GTU on it and does not require nor even know how to require proof. This thread is dead unless you can post proof to the claims you have made about the GTUs on the list here.
It's possible the wheels were switched out. When I originally bot my GTUs it had GXL wheels swapped onto it as well. but the GXL wheels/tires didn't match the wheel/tire sticker in the door.
Gs has never proven it came with 16” turbo rims. Gs means custom model. Pics or it did not happen. No 16” turbo rim sticker, not a GTUs. The end. Vin does not decode it, only decodes it’s a custom GTU. GTU models custom ordered with lsd or non sunroof or with one are gs2p. Only GTUs came with 16” turbo rims and not one thing you have all shown from the vins proves the rim size.
Stop avoiding the reality that there are only 7 real GTUs models confirmed, no one knows how many were made and no one can prove that there are any GTUs restamped models.
And what we're saying Rotary Police, is unless YOU can actually prove, by giving us a vin of a vehicle that isn't a GTUs and still comes up with a GS model code, YOU are the one who is wrong. You have no actual, factual, vin checked proof to show us that what we're saying is wrong, and we have confirmation from Mazda USA that GS was the model code for GTUs vehicles.
You can either shut up or put up. Because you are the one lacking in proof that what we're saying is wrong. So in your own words. Pics, or it didn't happen. Because at it sits now, you don't have any actual or photographic proof that we're wrong.
And no, some guy at a mazda dealership saying GS is any 'custom order' model code isn't proof. Especially when it's just hear-say. You don't even have any email or letter from the guy to show us.
Stop avoiding the reality that there are only 7 real GTUs models confirmed, no one knows how many were made and no one can prove that there are any GTUs restamped models.
If that's the case I'm beginning to feel bad for what I am doing and plan to do one day. As the rear end swap is prep for when I hope to one day have boost.
You have offered no proof of anything in this post. It's time for you to go away. You seem to want to build from the bottom up where we have recently uncovered the top-down way to do this. Here is a hierarchy for you:
VIN shows you a GTUs internal model code is GS. No other model has the internal code GS.
Once you realize the car was born as a GTUs, you can assume it will have all the parts and stickers that make up the model. Even if it doesn't because something is swapped out or some body guy removed jamb stickers, it's still a GTUs.
Just because a car has a sticker, LSD, 4.3, etc means NOTHING. Those are indicators and circumstantial evidence that you may have a GTUs. The only way to really tell is by the VIN.
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Originally Posted by Rotary Police
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Gs has never proven it came with 16” turbo rims. Gs means custom model. Pics or it did not happen. No 16” turbo rim sticker, not a GTUs. The end. Vin does not decode it, only decodes it’s a custom GTU. GTU models custom ordered with lsd or non sunroof or with one are gs2p. Only GTUs came with 16” turbo rims and not one thing you have all shown from the vins proves the rim size.
Stop avoiding the reality that there are only 7 real GTUs models confirmed, no one knows how many were made and no one can prove that there are any GTUs restamped models.
No. Simply no. Stop saying a 'custom' model line. It was a 2 year model inside the S5 FC generation. What was also not run through the entire FC lifecycle? Luxury Coupe, the SE and the Sport. Are all of these 'custom' too? Stop the nonsense. Please.
I don't buy this "custom model" stuff. I've posted pics of the specs in the owners manual where it specifically references the GTUs. To me this is more proof it's a model inside the S5 FC generation like everyone else says, but I'm done arguing about it. At this point I'd have about the same results if I went outside and argued with a tree.
You claim you have a custom model GSP2 and it is a GTUs, only the door ID tag can prove it.
this thread and those who made claims on it have been discredited and have NO credibility.
Look at the pictures of the custom sunroof and non sunroof custom models GTU, the restamped 90 GTU, all these cars that show GSP2 means nothing for the GTUs without the door ID tag. Thus why Red95FD just pointed out rim size and Neo Drift has to admit that only the door ID tag proves it!
There is only one indisputable fact here, Mazda said they made the GTUs, they showed what it came with in a brochure... They NEVER said how many were made and that there are restamped models. All claims outside that Mazda made them are a lie, only 7 have been proven to exist and their conditions are questionable.
All I care about now is finding and confirming real GTUs models! Maybe people should start making some posts on social media groups and confirm that there are at least 10 of these things made!
These are starting to look like Mazda’s rarest rx7s!
Last edited by Rotary Police; 07-15-20 at 11:59 PM.
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