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would it? the information is there. currently we can only go by individual vin, which works but it takes a long time.
The GTU that is pictured above was ordered from the factory without a sunroof and with a limited slip and that is why the dealership called it a GTUS. However it came with 15 inch rims and the door ID tag said so discrediting the claims of the dealership. This is not a credible or accurate way to show the model because of that. You can and have had always the option to add or subtract options on all models and it’s vin shows these. The only way to authenticate a GTUs model is the door ID tag, the Vin number on the firewall and a picture of the car those came off of. It is just what it is.
The GTU that is pictured above was ordered from the factory without a sunroof and with a limited slip and that is why the dealership called it a GTUS. However it came with 15 inch rims and the door ID tag said so discrediting the claims of the dealership. This is not a credible or accurate way to show the model because of that. You can and have had always the option to add or subtract options on all models and it’s vin shows these. The only way to authenticate a GTUs model is the door ID tag, the Vin number on the firewall and a picture of the car those came off of. It is just what it is.
if it came from the factory it will be in the parts catalog when the vin is used. the parts catalog gives you the model, GTUs = FC02 and the attributes (16" wheels, no sunroof, Limited slip) it works.
your GTU would come up as a 15" wheel car and a different model. just because the dealership you picked didn't know how to interpret the model doe not mean that it is not possible.
What you said is false. You can have ordered a LSD or non sunroof option in an S5 and many did.
Your window claim is nonsense. No one is putting on phony door stickers to clone a GTUs.
It is obvious to me that those who claim they have a GTUs but cannot post up the picture of the door tag does not have a GTUs. It is logical to assume that one would do anything they could to avoid posting something they do not have.
This thread has been going for almost 20 years and I am the first to require proof and what proving it is. The other GTUs threads are credible, this ones clearly making up claims with nothing to back it (production numbers and the restamped nonsense) while Mazda has said nothing and provided nothing but that they were made. Brochures. Dealers are not trustworthy, random people make **** up. Pics or it did not happen. Door tags, vin, car. Not hard!
OK, so where is your PROOF that whatever car you are talking about was ordered with no sunroof (GTU came standard with no sunroof, but was an option, GXL came standard with sunroof, it could not be deleted) and was ordered with a LSD (LSD was not an option for GTU or GXL) Where is YOUR PROOF. I can provide proof for my statements with Mazda documents, Where is YOUR Proof.
I haven't said anything about me not being able to provide a picture of my tire label in my GTUs. I didn't say that people actually did put the 16" tire label (that for some reason you keep calling phony, it was available from Mazda and is in the parts catalog), I am saying that it COULD of happened, and the tire label is not the be all end of proving a GTUs, the be all end would be the original window sticker that would have the model, GTUs, and the VIN number on the same document. But I doubt anyone has those. Now we find a way with this EPC thing that MIGHT be able to verify a VIN as a GTUs, and you don't even want to hear it. Who the **** are you!?
All you young ones are gonna miss us old school guys that have been in the FC game since these cars were new. You can't accept the documented information that has been given to you, you would rather try to discredit us, but why. We have been doing this for waaaaayyyy longer than you.
You are officially now in the same group as that Joe Maddox guy that keeps claiming there are only "100 non restamped 1989 GTUs'" Now we have Rotary Police that claims "S5 N/A could be ordered from the factory with LSD"
If you would like me to take the time to scan and post the proof of "GTU and GXL could not be optioned with a LSD from the factory" then I will.
OK, so where is your PROOF that whatever car you are talking about was ordered with no sunroof (GTU came standard with no sunroof, but was an option, GXL came standard with sunroof, it could not be deleted) and was ordered with a LSD (LSD was not an option for GTU or GXL) Where is YOUR PROOF. I can provide proof for my statements with Mazda documents, Where is YOUR Proof.
I haven't said anything about me not being able to provide a picture of my tire label in my GTUs. I didn't say that people actually did put the 16" tire label (that for some reason you keep calling phony, it was available from Mazda and is in the parts catalog), I am saying that it COULD of happened, and the tire label is not the be all end of proving a GTUs, the be all end would be the original window sticker that would have the model, GTUs, and the VIN number on the same document. But I doubt anyone has those. Now we find a way with this EPC thing that MIGHT be able to verify a VIN as a GTUs, and you don't even want to hear it. Who the **** are you!?
All you young ones are gonna miss us old school guys that have been in the FC game since these cars were new. You can't accept the documented information that has been given to you, you would rather try to discredit us, but why. We have been doing this for waaaaayyyy longer than you.
You are officially now in the same group as that Joe Maddox guy that keeps claiming there are only "100 non restamped 1989 GTUs'" Now we have Rotary Police that claims "S5 N/A could be ordered from the factory with LSD"
If you would like me to take the time to scan and post the proof of "GTU and GXL could not be optioned with a LSD from the factory" then I will.
I did not mean to trigger you. The GTU came with or without sunroof, just like the lsd. Because you can custom order from the factory or dealership. Here is a gtu same year with a lsd and a sunroof.
So there are two examples of a GTU that were never modified but show they come with or without sunroofs and limited slips from the factory. That is how you end up with tommyfyeah claiming a gtu is a GTUs.
The thread is almost 20 years old and has a GTU last registered before I stated real proof is needed. Its time for real proof and the door tag, vin and car are all that can prove it.
No one has ever claimed there was 100 89 only made, might want to re-read whatever you think you read. Twisting things because you got confused is not getting anyone anywhere. I just want proof if people claim they have a GTUs. If you cannot prove it, ok, if you can then do, if you are just here to argue then just stop. I am here for the cars.
I think its worth pointing out that this is showing results from TWO different databases. the Parts catalog, AND Mazda's warranty/sales database.
Unfortunately none of what you’re offering provides any confirmation of the rim size. Note that in your provided pictures it does not say the rim size. If the model was ordered with a LS and non sunroof but was a gtu there would be no way to tell from the vin results given and pictured. This leads to people or channels like this thinking their lsd, non sunroof black on black GTU is actually a GTUs. I think it is best to just stick with the door tags, vin number and outside shot to confirm it. It is not hard, people are doing it when they actually have one and it is WAY more than was required to prove it the last 20 years this thread has been going! 👌
I think its worth pointing out that this is showing results from TWO different databases. the Parts catalog, AND Mazda's warranty/sales database.
I agree, this Rotary Police guy just doesn't get it. He would rather make erroneous statements just like the Joe Maddox guy that claims there were only 100 1989 Non Restamped GTUs' than listen to reason and proof. Its all about the evidence man. He is stuck on this whole 16" wheel thing. There is proof and has been known in the rotary community for years that S5 N/A did not and could not come from the factory with a LSD.
Last edited by Wild Bill Massey; 06-22-20 at 01:50 PM.
it does, i just haven't shown it. see genuine epc, GTUs vin, and it picks the 16" tires.
Sweet! Can you look up the Ring and Pinion for the VIN? If it is a GTUs, it should give you the part number for the 4.3 ring and pinion (since the GTUs is the only North American model to come with the 4.3), which is m066-27-110
Sweet! Can you look up the Ring and Pinion for the VIN? If it is a GTUs, it should give you the part number for the 4.3 ring and pinion (since the GTUs is the only North American model to come with the 4.3), which is m066-27-110
yes, same vin. i just noticed you can't just buy the diff unit, you need the whole 3rd member, that is lame...
hell yeah, this is a definite way to verify GTUs, that ring and gear part number plus the 16" wheel and tire part number.
The ring and gear part number was discontinued a few years back, I was not aware you could buy the whole 3rd member still though. More than likely those units haven't sold and are still available because the price is crazy high.
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
yes, same vin. i just noticed you can't just buy the diff unit, you need the whole 3rd member, that is lame...
Last edited by Wild Bill Massey; 06-22-20 at 04:19 PM.
This is sad. No one made the claims you are stating are made. Take a screen shot of this claim anyone said there are only 100 non restamped 89.
I get it, you cannot provide the proof legitimate GTUs owners have and are. This thread can make all the twisted claims it wants, the vin he broke down never showed 16” rims, I showed you are incorrect that GTU models cannot be ordered with or without an lsd or sunroof. You are just being obtuse and I do not want to argue about it anymore. I get it, you guys do not get it. That is why over the last 20 years these bs rumors about production models and restamped models with no proof to back it or to back if the GTUs is legitimate.
It is not legitimate if you cannot show a picture of the firewall vin number, door ID tags and the car itself. Everything else, all threads claims are made up. That is the only proof and it is REALLY easy for real GTUs owners to prove it and be registered!
please just help find and get the legitimate GTUs owners found and the cars pictured! Thanks!!!
I’m going with my first thought because it still is what I think after seeing a GTU posted on the GTUs owners thread, people citing themselves to create rumors about production numbers and restamped models and the mass confusion as to Mazda’s statements about the GTUs.
Rotary Police, just give it up. They are offering more than enough proof, based on vin numbers in the system. There is proof of all the options shown, including the 16in wheels right there. Whether or not you want to accept it is up to you, but everything they have posted has just compounded the amount of proof they do have. You not believing it is a you thing. You're choosing to overlook it because, for some reason, you want this one single way of photographic proof. You should be happy that we have a way of checking according to the vin, because now we can better confirm the identity of vehicles that we may never get a tire sticker photo of. Instead, you continually choose to throw out any other possible way because you simply believe there is no other possible way. So, just give it a rest already. You don't have to accept the proof yourself, but it's still proof regardless.
If you're just going to sit in here and disagree with everything they're posting then just go away, and sit in your own GTUs thread, with the only proof you're happy with.
To clarify: I will be providing VIN and sticker pics this week when I get to the car as it's in storage to satisfy the requirements the Rotary Police has set for his list.
What bugs me about the sticker being the end all of proof is that is does NOT connect the VIN to the specs. One could easily slap that sticker on their car and have a piece of 'proof'. If I was buying one and wanted to be sure it was a GTUs, I would be calling Mazda and getting the first information I posted. That is the internal Mazda database document, by VIN, that shows the car with the 'GS' designation. It also appears you could head to your local Mazda dealership and get the printout from the parts database further supporting the options the car came with.
My car is a repaint in Blaze...I sure wish I cold find a set of OEM GTUs decals.
I provided pictures of a GTU that was ordered from the factory it’s a non sunroof and lsd, then one with a sunroof and lsd. I posted them to show a GTU vin can come up showing having a factory lsd or non sunroof the same as the GTUs.
The vin and claim from the dealership that the gs is a GTUs is made up by the dealership the same as the dealership that claimed the 91 GTU I showed as a GTUs because parts ordered from the factory on it. Neither are showing they came with 16” rims because they are not GTUs models. Because anyone could order any parts to come on the GTU when bought new, this kills the ability to look it up by vin.
No one is putting on fake tire stickers to clone a GTUs. If they do it’s easy to see it’s a clone. Fake. Again, new right next to old stickers show. Also considering there is no one restoring these cars it will be suspicious to those who have them, Michael is clearly making clones and that was pointed out on the other threads. They are not legit because of new stickers. Or take a picture of the old one before putting the new one on if it’s a real restoration.
20 years this thread has been going and no one has figured out how this works until now. I am not fighting stubborn opinions anymore, it is what it is. Except it or not. The thread can become legitimate or keep on making up bulls**t about how many were made and why there are restamped models.
This thread has shown not one of you has ever ordered a car from the factory and added options to it. Wow.
door ID tags, vin number on firewall and the car itself. This is the only way to prove you have a legitimate GTUs.
Last edited by Rotary Police; 06-23-20 at 11:28 AM.
That you can buy a car right now, just as you could then, and order it custom is proof you cannot use the vin as it can show similar options added to the vin but it not being the model. The custom ordered models presented were showing this.
Yes, I require pictures to prove a claim after so much nonsense was claimed about production numbers and the restamped models, a GTU ending up on this thread, a GTU being claimed on TommyFYeah as a GTUs and the flood of people coming out claiming they have these cars while making fake stickers. When I saw this I needed the THREE pictures to stop everyone from claiming they have one. I mean look at this:
Over almost 20 years vins could have been verified, I think it is more icemark citing himself to do it without requiring the owners post pictures proving it came with the correct door ID tags and vins. I do not think anyone is right about production numbers or why there are restamped models and I’m leaving it at MAZDA SAID NOTHING and walking away hoping the only legitimate way to register a GTUs is used here to avoid anymore claims without proof! Tim from a random dealership making up that GS means GTUs is not credible. Also the example never showed that the vin given had 16”rims outside of tims claim that gs means GTUs. Which it does not, Mazda did not say so, Tim did by editing a spreadsheet to sell a car Mazda can not verify.
door ID tags, VIN on the firewall and a shot of the car will prove it is a GTUs from the list here. I am seriously dying to know how many there are left. Is there a thread like this for other rare models besides the 10 AE?
Last edited by Rotary Police; 06-24-20 at 02:52 PM.
I am pretty sure everyone understands that you could have created a GTU with LSD and have the parts-department printout look 'correct'. I think what I am suggesting is that some of you have now discovered a couple more internal Mazda documents that can help paint a complete picture of authenticity.
I submit you are wrong however on the 'GS' designation. This is an internal code for the GTUs model. I have not seen anyone provide a screenshot of any model of RX7 from this database let alone a GTUs. I certainly didn't know this internal code for a GTUs was 'GS' until I was educated by Tim Buck when I inquired about my car. In my mind, it's the ONLY real way to verify a real GTUs. Stickers can be made, parts can be sourced and GTU cars can come 'looking' like GTUs's on paper and in parts databases. My first screenshot proves that there is indeed a database internal to Mazda that does prove what we want to know by VIN. To say otherwise is ignoring the 'GS' coding fact.
I do agree however that for the purposes of this site and the group, the VIN, the car and the sticker together paint a solid picture although the only guarantee is what I submitted. And we are in a fine place with the 3 'circumstantial' forms of verification because these cars, while rare, aren't worth much and nobody cares but us. LOL
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Originally Posted by Rotary Police
I provided pictures of a GTU that was ordered from the factory it’s a non sunroof and lsd, then one with a sunroof and lsd. I posted them to show a GTU vin can come up showing having a factory lsd or non sunroof the same as the GTUs.
The vin and claim from the dealership that the gs is a GTUs is made up by the dealership the same as the dealership that claimed the 91 GTU I showed as a GTUs because parts ordered from the factory on it. Neither are showing they came with 16” rims because they are not GTUs models. Because anyone could order any parts to come on the GTU when bought new, this kills the ability to look it up by vin.
No one is putting on fake tire stickers to clone a GTUs. If they do it’s easy to see it’s a clone. Fake. Again, new right next to old stickers show. Also considering there is no one restoring these cars it will be suspicious to those who have them, Michael is clearly making clones and that was pointed out on the other threads. They are not legit because of new stickers. Or take a picture of the old one before putting the new one on if it’s a real restoration.
20 years this thread has been going and no one has figured out how this works until now. I am not fighting stubborn opinions anymore, it is what it is. Except it or not. The thread can become legitimate or keep on making up bulls**t about how many were made and why there are restamped models.
This thread has shown not one of you has ever ordered a car from the factory and added options to it. Wow.
door ID tags, vin number on firewall and the car itself. This is the only way to prove you have a legitimate GTUs.
Maybe I can shed some light on this "GS" argument as I have a scan of my window sticker I dug off an old hard drive for you guys. Under model it says " RX-7 GS 2P"
Here's the fire wall:
and door sticker though I don't feel I need it since I have the window sticker:
Here's the car. Currently not much to look at as it's still in pieces from my Rx-8 diff swap and it needs a paint job.
Oh wow! That's awesome. I wish there was someway to get reprint copies of old window stickers like that. Would love to get one for my own car. That's cool, too, because it has everything from GTUs to the GS 2P designation. Further cementing proof in the GS 2P recognition in Mazda's warranty system, as shown before.
Really cool! Seems possible that GS can be used also to legitimize a GTUs model but the real proof (this why it’s being given) is the door sticker. Being that there is likely no restamped GTUs models ever and that myth is dead, the production numbers myth is clearly laid to rest, this is the closest possible way besides the physical proof that is the cars vin and ID tags. So I thank you greatly for posting those pictures of them and assuring that the FC is a legitimate GTUs model! I look forward to seeing it’s rebirth, do you have a build thread?
looks like we have seven total confirmed GTUs models! Way cool! I as well would love to get my hands on an old window sticker like that. What a sweet relic!
06-21-20, 11:47 PM
