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Bravo.... another bib smothered in dung.
"Plenty of sports cars powered by the rotary were made before the RX-7? What the hell?"
I didn't say sports cars. I said sporty cars. But I did basically mean sports cars. Take the RX-3 for example, or the NSU Spider.
I don't know why I bother.
"Plenty of sports cars powered by the rotary were made before the RX-7? What the hell?"
I didn't say sports cars. I said sporty cars. But I did basically mean sports cars. Take the RX-3 for example, or the NSU Spider.
I don't know why I bother.
Originally posted by BlackSport0187
Plenty of sports cars powered by the rotary were made before the RX-7? What the hell? You mean the Cosmo Sport, or did you have a couple made up cars in mind?
Plenty of sports cars powered by the rotary were made before the RX-7? What the hell? You mean the Cosmo Sport, or did you have a couple made up cars in mind?
-The NSU spider, which I believe had 1 rotor.
-The NSU R080, 2 rotor.
I think these 2 where actually produced in somewhat large quantities and sold to the public.
- Mercedes
C111, with a 3 and 4 rotor version (only a prototype)
and a 3 rotor version of the 350 SL for Felix himself.
-Mazda:
RX-2
RX-3
RX-4 One of my work co-workers used to own a rx-4 wagon
So yes, some of these cars never saw mass producion.
Anyway, the rest of your argument is good. So carry on!
*Edit*: Since, these cars aren't really sports cars...maybe you are right!!!!
Bah, guess I'm just post whoring!!!!
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From: Las Vegas
Originally posted by bob13bt
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so Ill ask again.....
Why not a Supra, 300ZX, or 240SX as a V8 donor?
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so Ill ask again.....
Why not a Supra, 300ZX, or 240SX as a V8 donor?
Because I had a RX-7 that was driving me rotary crazy.
Repeat: I already had the RX-7.
The other RX-7 swaps were done by me because other people wanted a car like mine.
I guess they forgot to check with you. Sorry about that.
Also, none of this crowd offered to keep me provided with rotary engines.
I like a convertible, and that pretty much ruled out the other cars you want me to "butcher". Yeah, the Nissan could be had in a "Vert, for about twice - or more - the cost of the REX.
Cost is a issue, and dead RX-7 "legends" are a dime a dozen.
Those are all valid reasons, and we just forgot to get your permission.
I guess I should say the obvious since I can't tell if you are serious:
Those other cars you asked about probably would not need their engines replaced.
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Ok first of all, WHO is dictating what is going on on this thread? I think it would be the counter-constructive people who instead of responding to my post requesting information, I was barraged with a bazillion posts full of useless crap. Why not a supra, a 300zx, or a 240sx, well the answer is because I want an RX-7. It is that simple. Other reasons include the facts that they are much cheaper and better looking in my opinion. I thin its ironic that the rotor heads think that this thread is off topic, the topic for this thread was "considering a v8 swap, please give info" or somethign to that affect, not "please give me all of your opinions on whether or not a rotary is the heart and soul of an rx-7 that should be preserved at all costs." On a more constructive note: How much do the verts weigh over the coupes? I the roof motorized? how reliable is the motor if so. Anyone have leaks with their roof?
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I guess I should say the obvious since I can't tell if you are serious:
Those other cars you asked about probably would not need their engines replaced.
Those other cars you asked about probably would not need their engines replaced.
I was JUST about to say this, but decided not too so I wouldn't get all the hate replys.... "Rotarys are so reliable if you maintain them!!!" Well plain and simple, everyone either isn't maintaining them properly, or the engines are just going...
~matt
I am PRAYING for a thread lock. You guys need to take a time out, go sit in the corner, and learn to play nice in the sandbox.
Jarrett
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MrBob86: Woah! Cool, thaks for enlightening me! I coulda swore they came in 4.9 though
Arcknight: Did you see my post? Also see mrbob86s post, for more info. As for the convertables, I think they're about 150lb heavier. They've also got taller gearing stock (3.9 vs. 4.1 diff), which may or may not be beneficial, depending on the tranny you're using. I've not heard of many people having trouble with the tops, but I don't own one (I've got an 88 turbo), so I'm not sure. You might get some help out of a search.....
The rest of you: STFU PLZ! (except the few people actually adding information!)
And I think the choice of a v8 rx7 over a 300zx or whatever is obvious... and secondly, people, wtf do you care? He's SAVING a fellow seven from the junkyards, wtf do you care what kind of motor he puts in it! He doesn't tell you what motor to put in your car! You're all like OHHH only a rotary can go in an rx7 and then I see you people posting about HEY wouldn't it be great if we put a 13b in a miata! NO its got a piston engine it better keep it you'd destroy the car! Nobody cares! It's HIS car, let him do what HE wants!
As far as the rx-7 goes, it's better than it being parted out or worse, crushed!
Arcknight: Did you see my post? Also see mrbob86s post, for more info. As for the convertables, I think they're about 150lb heavier. They've also got taller gearing stock (3.9 vs. 4.1 diff), which may or may not be beneficial, depending on the tranny you're using. I've not heard of many people having trouble with the tops, but I don't own one (I've got an 88 turbo), so I'm not sure. You might get some help out of a search.....
The rest of you: STFU PLZ! (except the few people actually adding information!)
And I think the choice of a v8 rx7 over a 300zx or whatever is obvious... and secondly, people, wtf do you care? He's SAVING a fellow seven from the junkyards, wtf do you care what kind of motor he puts in it! He doesn't tell you what motor to put in your car! You're all like OHHH only a rotary can go in an rx7 and then I see you people posting about HEY wouldn't it be great if we put a 13b in a miata! NO its got a piston engine it better keep it you'd destroy the car! Nobody cares! It's HIS car, let him do what HE wants!
As far as the rx-7 goes, it's better than it being parted out or worse, crushed!
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From: Hernando, MS
Originally posted by Rex_Experience
Lets just put it this way, we here at the rx7club have a saying, it goes something like this, "The Rx-7 knows about YOU!" and if you dare take one of our beloved rotary engines and replace it with a peice of rustang **** WE WILL FIND YOU, and it WON'T be pretty.
Have a nice day!
Lets just put it this way, we here at the rx7club have a saying, it goes something like this, "The Rx-7 knows about YOU!" and if you dare take one of our beloved rotary engines and replace it with a peice of rustang **** WE WILL FIND YOU, and it WON'T be pretty.
Have a nice day!
My Address is 7661 Ragland Pl. Southaven,MS
I work Mon-Fri, so wont have muck time for you other than the weekend
Have a nice Day!!!!
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Originally posted by CozmoRX7
oh, and wheres the logic on "it won't hurt the handling on the 944, but will KILL the handling on the RX-7"... I don't get it ragtop??
~matt
oh, and wheres the logic on "it won't hurt the handling on the 944, but will KILL the handling on the RX-7"... I don't get it ragtop??
~matt
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As for the convertables, I think they're about 150lb heavier. They've also got taller gearing stock (3.9 vs. 4.1 diff), which may or may not be beneficial, depending on the tranny you're using.
My '91 automatic coupe has the 3.9
~matt
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Originally posted by CozmoRX7
Super Moderator- I'm just wondering if theres any rules on this great forum about staying on topic at all? I mean you have to understand the guy came here for some help, and support. He doesn't care about the rotary purists FLOODING his thread with "anti swap bs". Do you agree at all with that?
~matt
Super Moderator- I'm just wondering if theres any rules on this great forum about staying on topic at all? I mean you have to understand the guy came here for some help, and support. He doesn't care about the rotary purists FLOODING his thread with "anti swap bs". Do you agree at all with that?
~matt
I personally HATE these threads, because they turn into a pissing match EVERY SINGLE TIME. I'm tired of dealing with it, and I am out of patience with the whining.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BogusFile
[B]
WHOA, hold on there! You were right... until the last paragraph. The CLOSEST record for LeMans is held by Porsche... and it's really not even close. Check the stats. Also, Mazda is the ONLY Japanese manufacturer to EVER win LeMans outright... with a rotary-powered "sports racing prototype" class car.
Brad
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Originally posted by BlackSport0187
"No, I consider it to be off topic because it has to do with ruining an import with domestic power!
"
Wow.... what a solid arguement. You win pal...
"But seriously, if you don't like the rotary you don't really like RX-7s."
Man do you write poetry... that was beautiful.
"The definiton of "Legendary" is certainly debatable. I would argue that the RX-7 is legendary because of it being the only sports car powered by a rotary to ever see mass production."
That is not true..... there were plenty of Sporty Cars powered by the rotary before the RX-7s time. Im sure you knew that though right.
"The rotary and the RX-7 still serve to mystify ignorant automotive enthusiasts and mechanics alike."
Yes there are many ignorant people out there who haven't realized that the Rotary engine is the only logical power plant for their race cars. And here I am thinking that the "pissed-on" powered Formula One cars were the pinnacle of automotive performance....
Untill you came along and enlightened me.
"Not to mention the fact that the Rx-7 has won the following:
GTO class, 24hrs of Daytona 10 times in a row.
From 1980 to 1990, 10 GTU manufacturers championships. (These are but a few examples)
How does that not make the RX-7 an automotive legend?
"
Look dude. These are all great achievements and the RX-7 deserves every bit of credit it gets.... but there are many cars who have achieved similar success if not much better, and they continue to do so till this day.
Now some of my comments may lead some of you to believe that I don't care for rotaries..... that is untrue.
I like them very very much... and I know a good bit about them. Im just tired of watching crap dribble out of Black Sports mouth like an oil/coolant mixture from an FDs radiator cap on a 100 degree day. A little joke ha ha ha.
"No, I consider it to be off topic because it has to do with ruining an import with domestic power!
" Wow.... what a solid arguement. You win pal...
"But seriously, if you don't like the rotary you don't really like RX-7s."
Man do you write poetry... that was beautiful.
"The definiton of "Legendary" is certainly debatable. I would argue that the RX-7 is legendary because of it being the only sports car powered by a rotary to ever see mass production."
That is not true..... there were plenty of Sporty Cars powered by the rotary before the RX-7s time. Im sure you knew that though right.
"The rotary and the RX-7 still serve to mystify ignorant automotive enthusiasts and mechanics alike."
Yes there are many ignorant people out there who haven't realized that the Rotary engine is the only logical power plant for their race cars. And here I am thinking that the "pissed-on" powered Formula One cars were the pinnacle of automotive performance....
Untill you came along and enlightened me.
"Not to mention the fact that the Rx-7 has won the following:
GTO class, 24hrs of Daytona 10 times in a row.
From 1980 to 1990, 10 GTU manufacturers championships. (These are but a few examples)
How does that not make the RX-7 an automotive legend?
"Look dude. These are all great achievements and the RX-7 deserves every bit of credit it gets.... but there are many cars who have achieved similar success if not much better, and they continue to do so till this day.
Now some of my comments may lead some of you to believe that I don't care for rotaries..... that is untrue.
I like them very very much... and I know a good bit about them. Im just tired of watching crap dribble out of Black Sports mouth like an oil/coolant mixture from an FDs radiator cap on a 100 degree day.
A little joke ha ha ha.
Brad
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Yeah I saw ur thread Terrh, I was confused after checkin out auto.msn.com and it said 4.6. Unfortunately I dont think I have the extra cash to throw around to try something off the beaten path, I think im sentanced (not that its a bad thing ) to a carbed 302. As strange as it sounds Im really looking for old school /archaic technology/ cubic inches for simplicitys sake and costs sake (and funs sake!) Thanks for the idea though!
In order to crush the Idea of a v8 in my talon, there is definately no room in that compartment for a longitudinally mounted 8cyl, and there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that the DSM tranny could hold up to that much low end torque, it cant handle mildly upgraded talons much less near double that torque.
Another question ive been confused about, when performing the swap, I take it that it is necessary to swap (to a ford in my case) slave and master clutch cylinders. Is there anything else involved (say im using a T-5)? I dont have much on hand experience with clutches. THanks all
) to a carbed 302. As strange as it sounds Im really looking for old school /archaic technology/ cubic inches for simplicitys sake and costs sake (and funs sake!) Thanks for the idea though!In order to crush the Idea of a v8 in my talon, there is definately no room in that compartment for a longitudinally mounted 8cyl, and there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that the DSM tranny could hold up to that much low end torque, it cant handle mildly upgraded talons much less near double that torque.
Another question ive been confused about, when performing the swap, I take it that it is necessary to swap (to a ford in my case) slave and master clutch cylinders. Is there anything else involved (say im using a T-5)? I dont have much on hand experience with clutches. THanks all
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Originally posted by CozmoRX7
Well if i'm a "all wise, all knowing V8 god" (MODS, no warning for a rotor head flaming?)
~matt
Well if i'm a "all wise, all knowing V8 god" (MODS, no warning for a rotor head flaming?)
~matt
I'm sick of the flames AND the whining.
As a (new?) user pointed out, every time someone posts about a V8 swap, the V8 enthusiasts come out of the woodwork to tell us how much better it is... frankly it appears with the SOLE intent to stir up a flame fest- but when confronted with facts (weight, cost, difficulty of project, etc.) they get mad.
This isn't a place where you can preach YOUR version of the automotive gospel without rebuttal, sorry. You don't see us telling YOU to shut up. The rules are the same for everyone. If they weren't, I would happily ban anyone who MENTIONS a V8 swap, just to keep the flames from popping up- but that isn't the way we do things. Is it because I hate V8s? No... I have a 1969 Cougar S-code convertible. (S-code has a 325 HP 390 GT engine.) It's because I am sick and tired of dealing with all the pissy little bullshit flame fests that come out of this. Yes, I am goddamn tired of it, and I suggest you take that as a word of caution.
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I can lock the thread if needed for the flaming, but there haven't been any OTHER rules broken... and the one who started the thread ALSO started the arguing.
Terrh started the initial snippy rotary purist comment, and 1987RX7guy continued along with another ignorant comment. (the usual buy a mustang crap, which doens't make any sense whatsoever)
Did you even go back to the beginning to check on your comment?
~matt
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Originally posted by rx7_ragtop
And you can't see the difference between that and what you posted previously, perhaps you need to re-read it.
I'm sick of the flames AND the whining.
As a (new?) user pointed out, every time someone posts about a V8 swap, the V8 enthusiasts come out of the woodwork to tell us how much better it is... frankly it appears with the SOLE intent to stir up a flame fest- but when confronted with facts (weight, cost, difficulty of project, etc.) they get mad.
This isn't a place where you can preach YOUR version of the automotive gospel without rebuttal, sorry. You don't see us telling YOU to shut up. The rules are the same for everyone. If they weren't, I would happily ban anyone who MENTIONS a V8 swap, just to keep the flames from popping up- but that isn't the way we do things. Is it because I hate V8s? No... I have a 1969 Cougar S-code convertible. (S-code has a 325 HP 390 GT engine.) It's because I am sick and tired of dealing with all the pissy little bullshit flame fests that come out of this. Yes, I am goddamn tired of it, and I suggest you take that as a word of caution.
Brad
And you can't see the difference between that and what you posted previously, perhaps you need to re-read it.
I'm sick of the flames AND the whining.
As a (new?) user pointed out, every time someone posts about a V8 swap, the V8 enthusiasts come out of the woodwork to tell us how much better it is... frankly it appears with the SOLE intent to stir up a flame fest- but when confronted with facts (weight, cost, difficulty of project, etc.) they get mad.
This isn't a place where you can preach YOUR version of the automotive gospel without rebuttal, sorry. You don't see us telling YOU to shut up. The rules are the same for everyone. If they weren't, I would happily ban anyone who MENTIONS a V8 swap, just to keep the flames from popping up- but that isn't the way we do things. Is it because I hate V8s? No... I have a 1969 Cougar S-code convertible. (S-code has a 325 HP 390 GT engine.) It's because I am sick and tired of dealing with all the pissy little bullshit flame fests that come out of this. Yes, I am goddamn tired of it, and I suggest you take that as a word of caution.
Brad
No, we didn't accuse you of hating V8s, stop being over defensive.
Word of caution? I really don't care, ban me for not breaking the rules, as you have to many others in the past.
Sorry, but your "flexing and showing your power" suggestion isn't scaring me off.
This is my opinion, not a flame, I strongly dislike mods like you.
~matt
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Originally posted by CozmoRX7
All automatic cars at the 3.9 rear end, not all verts. But automatic verts did
My '91 automatic coupe has the 3.9
~matt
All automatic cars at the 3.9 rear end, not all verts. But automatic verts did
My '91 automatic coupe has the 3.9
~matt
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Originally posted by CozmoRX7
NO! you're DEFINATELY wrong on that one!
Terrh started the initial snippy rotary purist comment, and 1987RX7guy continued along with another ignorant comment. (the usual buy a mustang crap, which doens't make any sense whatsoever)
Did you even go back to the beginning to check on your comment?
~matt
NO! you're DEFINATELY wrong on that one!
Terrh started the initial snippy rotary purist comment, and 1987RX7guy continued along with another ignorant comment. (the usual buy a mustang crap, which doens't make any sense whatsoever)
Did you even go back to the beginning to check on your comment?
~matt
Telling him to buy a Mustang ISN'T a flame, and ISN'T against the rules. Comments like "here we go again" etc. are not against the rules. Defending a position in support of using a rotary in an RX-7 is NOT AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
Personal attacks (a.k.a. flames) ARE against forum rules, and the rules will be enforced. If you have a question about this, perhaps you should READ the rules.
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Originally posted by CozmoRX7
I don't browse this forum often, becuase I get all I need at a better rx7 forum IMO. I just get tired when V8 threads get started, a newbie wants some info, doesn't know about other forums that are nicer about this type of thing, and EVERYONE just starts in flamin on him.
No, we didn't accuse you of hating V8s, stop being over defensive.
Word of caution? I really don't care, ban me for not breaking the rules, as you have to many others in the past.
Sorry, but your "flexing and showing your power" suggestion isn't scaring me off.
This is my opinion, not a flame, I strongly dislike mods like you.
~matt
I don't browse this forum often, becuase I get all I need at a better rx7 forum IMO. I just get tired when V8 threads get started, a newbie wants some info, doesn't know about other forums that are nicer about this type of thing, and EVERYONE just starts in flamin on him.
No, we didn't accuse you of hating V8s, stop being over defensive.
Word of caution? I really don't care, ban me for not breaking the rules, as you have to many others in the past.
Sorry, but your "flexing and showing your power" suggestion isn't scaring me off.
This is my opinion, not a flame, I strongly dislike mods like you.
~matt
As for your comment: "ban me for not breaking the rules, as you have many others in the past." That's a crock of **** and you know it. I challenge you to find even ONE example... not the MANY that you accuse me of- just one. Go for it smart guy.
If you want to discuss this further, I suggest PMing me, and quit disrupting the forum. (But feel free to post your response to the above in here- although you won't find one.)
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I don't remember exact examples, I'm sorry. I have talked to a couple people in the past that believed they were banned for unjust reasons, but would rather not put names. I know I exaggerated a little And i'm not adressing you personally, I just got a little worked up on your word of caution. That word of caution was personal to me? or not? was it a flame?
Lets stop the bickering, anti swappers, please stop posting your opinion, (i'm not trying to dictate, just a suggestion to keep from people flaming ang getting banned)
I like my FC.
~matt
And i'm not adressing you personally, I just got a little worked up on your word of caution. That word of caution was personal to me? or not? was it a flame?Lets stop the bickering, anti swappers, please stop posting your opinion, (i'm not trying to dictate, just a suggestion to keep from people flaming ang getting banned)
I like my FC.
~matt
Oh wait so I started all of this?
BlackSport0187 said QUOTE:
"Rx-7 V8 swaps are gay!
How's that for a reason?
Isaac"
I'm the one who started this right? Personal attack? I joking said he must be 12 if that's his only arguement...notice the big smile afterward. As far as the "V8 guys coming to cause trouble" comment. We stick together because we are all we got. Don't misstake that trolling. Just like you don't like people talking **** about the rotary, we don't like people talking **** about the V6/V8. There is a difference between factual debate and emotional flaming, and I think us V8 guys stick mostly to the former.
BlackSport0187 said QUOTE:
"Rx-7 V8 swaps are gay!
How's that for a reason?
Isaac"
I'm the one who started this right? Personal attack? I joking said he must be 12 if that's his only arguement...notice the big smile afterward. As far as the "V8 guys coming to cause trouble" comment. We stick together because we are all we got. Don't misstake that trolling. Just like you don't like people talking **** about the rotary, we don't like people talking **** about the V6/V8. There is a difference between factual debate and emotional flaming, and I think us V8 guys stick mostly to the former.
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and my "snippy" v8 comment was a joke.. While I was asking a serious question about the mustang, That's because I thought this was another not-well-thought-out swapper. Apparently, it isn't. I'm most probably going to go a v8 route in the 1988 GX I'm picking up next week. I've allready got the AE for my AX/fun street car, but now I want something stupid fast in a straight line, and it's clear to me that that's just not possible with a 13b without losing streetability (gas mileage and emmissions being my primary concerns - my driver needs to pass emmissions and MUST get <20MPG hwy)
Arcknight: Apparently (I've done a bit, but not much of research on this subject) a mustang 302 HO and its tranny are relatively easy to get in. And they've got a wonderfully simple cable clutch that shouldn't be a problem to get working.
If you go to something with a hydraulic clutch, it might not be impossible to work it with the stock master and whatever is on the tranny's slave.... I'm not very familiar with ford trannys myself, everyone I know has always owned chevys Combine that with the fact that most domestics with v8s come with auto trannys, and I'm REALLY not all that knowledgeable in this area.
Feel free to send me a PM with any other questions, as it's pretty clear where this thread is headed.
If you go to something with a hydraulic clutch, it might not be impossible to work it with the stock master and whatever is on the tranny's slave.... I'm not very familiar with ford trannys myself, everyone I know has always owned chevys
Combine that with the fact that most domestics with v8s come with auto trannys, and I'm REALLY not all that knowledgeable in this area.Feel free to send me a PM with any other questions, as it's pretty clear where this thread is headed.
