ALSO.... Keep in mind that EVERYBODY has their own philosophy about what a "Sports Car" is.

THis is mine...

A sports car is a car design for driving, to accelerate and handle to its maximum potential and to make for an exciting driving experience. That being said... things like Air Conditioning, Power Steering, Stereo Equipment, and Bling Bling items take a back seat to Power, handling, reliability and weight saving.

This is why I have NO AC, am trying to make the pipe runs as short and simple as possible and am trying to have the FMIC located in a position where it can be protected from damage and keep the front bumper as clost to stock as possible. Moving the battery to the rear for weight transfer is also better in MY opinion. I may yet ditch the Power Steering as well because it takes away from the "feel" ofthe road.. i'm about 85% decided on removing it... (its just that naggin in the back of my head, what if you try to sell it...)

BUT this is neither right nor wrong, its only MY opinion.... and if someone else has a differeing viewpoint, great, the more options out the the better!

The more stuff we come up with on our own, the less we have to rely on what we can buy "off the shelf" And in case you haven't realized it... the older our cars get, the less the big name guys seem interested in making parts for them.......

 

Can you give us objective proof it is?
If you can't stop posting bullshit.

Just looking at the pics, number 1 point is that the inlet / outlet both makes abrupt 90-degree turns off the core, which is going to disrupt airflow.  Already that makes the GReddy "core" a better design.


-Ted

 

that might be true..the way i got my intercooler is like the greddy actually just not quite as long, im doing my piping like greddy also..now this guy has run flow test on these extuded tube cores and he says " are proven to be better than any greddy core which is really a koyo core" thats what he said..now he might be lying cause its his own but you can call and talk to him and see if you smell bullshit...and ask him all question you want if you have any doughts not to mention that these cores are beefier and just look like a better fin design then greddy and a kit can be made for more than half as much

 

Can you qualify the "better fin design" claim?
I've seen numerous internal fin designs over the past several years, and they all claim to be better.
Fact is...more fins mean more heat transfer.  More fins typically mean more pressure drop.  So where do you draw the line between better heat transfer versus more pressure drop?  You can combat pressure drop by running more rows.  Adding more rows just add to IC size.  So the IC core size is limited to application.

About the only valid argument out there is from Spearco, which claims their bar&plate IC cores have better heat transfer capacities due to MORE MASS.  It is easy to weigh the cores to see which one is heavier.  Care to weight the IC core and give us a number?


-Ted

 

i will tomorrow

 

sorry it took long, but weighed the whole intercooler which is 25x12x3 and is 16 lbs. Ted, thid guys # is 503 504 2504, to all of us your opinion is respected so wanted to see if you can call him and post what you think of what this guy has to say

thanx

 

also how much does the greddy FMIC weigh? is 16lbs. for that intercooler good?

thanx

 

I have the Greddy FMIC and it is no where near 16lbs. Maybe 16 for the whole kit. The piping that comes with it is feather light aluminum. I didn't weigh it before it got put on.

 

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wassup ted, just checking to see if you gotta chance to call this guy yet?

thanx

 

Nope, kinda hard unless the guy takes collect calls?
I really have no way of calling this guy long distance without incurring some major LD charges (I'm in Hawaii) which I an incapable (well, not willing to pay for) at this point in time.

I'm sure his stuff is kosher.
I've got nothing against his merchandise personally.

16 lbs. is a hefty amount of weight, and I don't even think the GReddy cores even come close.  I wish I had one to weigh, but I currently do not have one handy, and the ones I was working on (in Europe) are all driving around by the time I wanted to get them on a scale.

It really doesn't matter what I think.
A measure of how well the IC works is it's inlet versus outlet temps and at what reference boost level with what turbo model.
I've got good readings off the stock FC turbo pushing through the stock IC at 7psi, H-trim compressor upgrade through a GReddy V-spec, and a 60-1 compressor upgrade through a GReddy V-spec - none of them went over 120F, and that's what counts.

Good luck with the car!


-Ted

 

Where woud the battery be relocated to on a 2+2 FC?

 

In the hatch area...



-Ted

 

Do you know of any kits to relocate the battery?


GIl

 

So the piping that is being made is for a non AC car. That means that it won't work with AC equiped cars, but could I use the turbo side piping with my AC equiped car. Then I would desine my own intake side piping.



Gil

 

from TonyturboIIs car. http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/member...mem&car_id=342


I was thinking of doing something like this, but on a stock TII. A couple things that I would do differently is not to cut the frame only the hood and to keep AC wich means a bit different piping for the intake rout. I am thinking of a speaco intercooler from ebay.

 

On the subject of IC weight, I just got my Greddy V-spec FMIC kit in today. I remembered this thread, and thought Id weight it just for comparison purposes. The core itself is right about 16.5 lbs.

The core dimensions are :
23.25" long
11" tall
2.75" thick

The overall length of the intecooler from endtank openings is 34.5"

Just thought Id post this all up here since there seemed to be alot of comparisions to the Greddy kit.

 

RXmfn7, you bought that kit from Kevin Landers huh.
thanks for weighing it. I stand corrected it didn't feel like 16 pounds.

Years of decay,
Great job once again on building a setup for your car.
I think the more responces you get will show you that people want AC and not to relocated the battery. I am with you if it has to go its gone. But another thing to realize is that 85% of the people on this forum are 16-22 and will never buy anything they say they will. Also if they were smart they would design their own kit from summit mandrel bends or just take their *** to a Trucker supply store and they have more 2/2.5/3 inch mandrel bends that you could ever want. Then fab up some **** out of exhaust pipe and have it welded up at midas. But it seems that this forum wants chrome intercooler kits for $199 and bolt on N/A turbo kits with no consideration for EMS. Most don't even have a t2 yet. Good luck with the rest of the kit and I hope you can sell a few to pay for your time and effort.

 

Yes, I bought it from Kevin. And youre right about the rest of the piping being very light, but the core does have some weight to to. I also really hope this cutom kit he is working on sells. Its great to see someone putting forth the effort, but like you said, when it comes down to it , alot of people dont have the money to back up their promises.

 

hey... i know it has been a while, but anything new on these kits??? Are you still working on them, or have they kinda faded out?
thanks

 

can anyone help me? i cant get the shift **** off my 87 for some reason, is there some kind of tool i need or should i just try harder.

 

why the hell are you posting that question in here. but just twist harder

 

thanx, i wasnt sure where to post it so i randomly picked one figuring someone would kno

 

I say build a FMIC with out the A/C and move the battery. It will be soooo much easyer and if people want to keep that stuff then buy the Greddy kit. You were thinking about ditching your P/S too, just do what I did and put in an actual manual rack from a junk yard. Since they were built to be manual it is easy to steer at low speeds and the issue of no PS shouldnt be a problem.

 

hey yearsofdecay... how is the project coming along?? I finally have some money, and am really interested in checking out ur progress.
thanks