krosLy

Hi guys, I've had my 1989 rx-7 GXL for about 3 months(start of summer) now and have never had a problem with it.. The other night I had to go out and move my car so my brother could get out of the drive way, I started it up moved it about 4 feet and shut it off..

This morning I went to start it and it will not start.. It almost sounds like the starter isn't catching or something.. Once in a while there is the odd sputter..
Flooded?

mike_merryguy

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probably is flooded, mine flooded same symptoms as yours, search for DEFLOODING, there are a few methods, but most invove removing spark plugs and a fuse, some cranking and ATF or OIL in the plug holes to rebuild compression

macsrx7

from my experience I would say Yes...

but there will be more educated people to respond.

i know one thing you can try is pull the Engine EGR fuse and crank it over a bit, then put the fuse in and if it was indeed flooded it should start back up...

edit: ^mike beat me to it, but try this first before you go putting ATF in the plug holes... use that as a last resort... you can also push-start it (pop the clutch) but try the fuse first...

krosLy

alright I'll start searching, thanks

krosLy

Alright so, I took out the EGINE(15A) fuse, and cranked it over for about 25 seconds, plugged the fuse back in and tried to start it.. I got more sputters than before, like it was very close to starting.. Still flooded??

niburu

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yes, crank it over for a full minute or 2 till the exhaust note changes
put the fuse back in and hope
if it doesn't go, plugs are fouled, clean them off or buy new ones
do not put ATF in your engine period

macsrx7

now it's time to take out your plugs and examine them for gas... if they're wet or smell heavy of gasoline then it's flooded...

have you tried push-starting it?

i'd say if the plugs are wet then take the fuse out again and crank it in cycles as to not damage your starter/die your battery...

then pop that fuse back in and try it... have patience...

someone please correct me if any of this is wrong so i don't go giving this guy bad advice.

however, i had the same thing happen to me monday night and did the fuse trick and it worked...

^beat me to it again... damn i type slow...

niburu

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this might be the perfect time for some new plugs and wires if you haven't done so already krosly

krosLy

alright, I'll go take the plugs out and check them..
quick question, I read somewhere a little while back to try cranking it over with the plugs out and EGI fuse out.. good plan or bad plan?

thanks in advance fellaz

krosLy

I'm going to go check them now, but I agree that would be a good idea.. I'll get on it

krosLy

alright I have the plugs out and I cleaned them off and got all the fuel off them (the smell of gasoline was potent on them) but I wanted to ask, before I put them back in.. Is it just going to foul the plugs again if I put them back in?
Should I pull the EGI fuse and crank it while the plugs are out?
Or should I put the plugs back in and then EGI fuse trick?

Thanks in advance

krosLy

anybody?

coxxoc

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Crank it with the plugs out for a good bit. Do it until you don't see it misting fuel out of the holes anymore.

krosLy

alright, thanks

krosLy

well, thats too bad.. I really thought that was going to work.. Still no luck, the spark plugs are most likely completely fouled..

I took them out cleaned them, cranked it until no more visible gasoline was misting out, put them back in, put the egi fuse back in and cranked it for a while.. no luck

new spark plugs?

Boosted11

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When was the last time the spark plugs were bought for the car?

Sounds like its time for new plugs and wires. I dont think the wires are a necessity but it will help. I would go with NGK plugs and wires.

When you're doing the de-flood process, is the pedal to the metal? If you're not doing that, then do so because it prevents fuel from building up.

Idrinkalot

I'm having this problem almost every day now. I do the EGI fuse trick and it works every time. Make sure the clutch and gas pedals are depressed all the way to the floor.

I should probably get new plugs and wires before my battery is shot.

OH I need a socket/wrench. What size socket and what size drive do I need to get the job done?

thebigbluecan

Heres a pic of using ATF in your car after it starts.......




DONT Crank it for a full minute or 2 at once.. Never longer than like 6 seconds... And give the starter a rest for 20 seconds or so.. (Obviously)

krosLy

13/16?


I have yet to buy spark plugs or wires for this rx7.. I will do that tomorrow when I can hitch a ride to CAN tire

On a side note, the spark plugs in it right now are strange looking.. there is no side electrode for the spark to arc to.. has anyone heard of these or is this standard for rotary engines?

krosLy

haha nice picture..
I'm not really a big fan of putting ATFluid in my engine so hopefull the alternative methods work.. btw flooding is not a common issue for this car, I think I brought it on myself by not being in a hurry to get to work a couple times and what not.. Lesson learned

thebigbluecan

Spark plug look like this??? Also Get NGK plugs dont get nothing cheap!

krosLy

yea it looks like that.. one thing I think I am basically the most retarded person on the planet................................. I kept reading "pull EGI Fuse" i figured it was the abbreviation for the "engine" fuse in the fusebox close to the clutch................ I just read here: http://www.rx7.com/techarticles_unfloodFC.html
"
Locate main fuse box next to battery under the hood.
Pull innermost fuse from fuse box and leave out. Lid will have fuse labeled as “EGI Comp” for 1986-88 models and just “EGI” for 89-91 models. Note: some models have empty spaces for options on vehicle. There will be no fuses in these spots."

someone shoot me...

krosLy

on the other hand the lid is not labeled so it does camouflage in with all the other black wires and cases..
none the less im still dumb..

thebigbluecan

Ha ha yea it might start if you can get the EGI fuse out... But I would still get spark plugs.

mike_merryguy

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yea like i said ATF or motor oil is the common solution, i wasn't recommending anything or saying do this, just to clear that up, just stating what he would find if a search was performed,

this seems to be the general opinion of what works...

pull the plugs, clean them, pull the EGI fuse and crank for 5 to 10 seconds repeat until no mist comes out, take a cap of oil and put it in the spark plug holes, crank the engine, replace plugs and fuse and wires, try to start again w/o touching gas pedal

the oil or atf will reseal the apex seals in order to build compression, all that fuel sitting in there causes the compression to go by by, hence why then engine will not start when you replace the plugs after clearing the chambers