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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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FD twin turbo ECU spliced onto FC s5 Engine Harness

can this actually be done? using a FD ECU and harness and splicing it together with the s5 engine harness?

s6 ecu and harness to s5 engine harness?
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 06:25 PM
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No. Well not easily anyway. The FC uses a different crank trigger then the FC as well as different coils.

Your best bet if you want to install a 13B-REW and keep the (sucky) FD ECU is to use the FD wiring harness and strip it down to the point where it is only tied to the car for power and ground.

Ideally, you will want to use a full standalone system as the FD ECU makes it very easy to pop the engine if you are not careful.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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what's the point?

if you really want to do it just to do it just get an AP Engineering Power FC. plug and play.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
No. Well not easily anyway. The FC uses a different crank trigger then the FC as well as different coils.
Apart from triggering the trailing coils differently between the FC and FD,isn't the FD crank sensor still a 12-1 wheel arrangement using Variable reluctors? The 2nd. gen. CAS is a Variable reluctor 24-2 wheel but spins at half speed making it a 12-1.Unless I'm missing something I would think/guessing it could be used.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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stock FC CAS and coils work with the PFC which is essentially an FD ecu. the things you would need to switch to are FD AIT (air intake temp sensor) and FD/apexi map sensor (speed density 3 wire).
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 12:17 AM
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do you know where i can get a power FC for less then what its at?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 03:45 AM
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what? are you asking where you can get one cheaper than market price? you can try ebay but they are pretty rare
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 03:56 AM
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Why bother?
The FD stock MAP sensor is funky and reads up to 1.2-bar of positive pressure.
The stock FC boost sensor reads up to a typical 1.0-bar of positive pressure.
This means if you manage to splice the wires up, the boost gauge in the stock instrument cluster is going to read wrong unless you somehow compensate for this offset.

Why are you insisting on doing this the hard way?
The stock water temp gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
The stock boost gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
The stock oil pressure gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
See the pattern?


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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Why bother?
The FD stock MAP sensor is funky and reads up to 1.2-bar of positive pressure.
The stock FC boost sensor reads up to a typical 1.0-bar of positive pressure.
This means if you manage to splice the wires up, the boost gauge in the stock instrument cluster is going to read wrong unless you somehow compensate for this offset.

Why are you insisting on doing this the hard way?
The stock water temp gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
The stock boost gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
The stock oil pressure gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
See the pattern?


-Ted
Because it's FD stuff. It's GOTTA be better. Duh.

Didn't you see that documentary about that tofu delivery kid. There were these guys that had an FC and an FD. The FD was so much more of a badass drift car...

If you can't afford an FD and you want a badass drift car, put as many FD parts on your FC...


Hell, I take a little red wagon with me to the scrap yard to carry parts around. It'd always tip over if I turned with it due to the weight of the tools and all.

Man, I threw a mid 80's RWD Corolla alternator in the wagon and it and it was instantaneously turned into a mad dorifto machine.

It gained like 8 deg of negative camber. (More is better) and the tire contact patch got much larger.

Next, I'm gonna start throwing parts from a 240SX in there.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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people from the honda scene thinking that you can upgrade with OEM parts from different cars of the same manufacturer?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 12:21 PM
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NOPE, they use reluctors just like the FC. I swapped my haltech from 13b-re to rew WITHOUT changing any haltech trigger settings.

The FD trigger produces exactly the same signal as the FC trigger.

Second there would be a an issue with the the trailing coils, but this would be easy to work around. With one more FC lead igniter.

For the original poster:

finally, there are about 20 input or output conditions that would cause the FD computer to throw the car into limp mode. Unless you are a very accomplished back yard mechanic AND electronics hobbyist, then you will not finish this project successfully. I made an FD stock computer run a 13b-rew in an FC, with everything including the check engine light and all smog controls so I could have a street legal 13b-rew swap. Let me put it this way, it took at least 20-25 hours of work to do this. It took 2-3 hours to rip it out and replace it with a haltech.


Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
FDs use Hall sensors.

Last edited by slo; Feb 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Why bother?
The FD stock MAP sensor is funky and reads up to 1.2-bar of positive pressure.
The stock FC boost sensor reads up to a typical 1.0-bar of positive pressure.
This means if you manage to splice the wires up, the boost gauge in the stock instrument cluster is going to read wrong unless you somehow compensate for this offset.

Why are you insisting on doing this the hard way?
The stock water temp gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
The stock boost gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
The stock oil pressure gauge sucks - get an aftermarket one.
See the pattern?


-Ted
of course, if i managed to splice things up.. i know everything is going to read wrong. so i'm already figured i'm going to have to get new gauges.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:23 PM
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 02:28 PM
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For the love of god kid, just take your car to a shop and have them work on it.

It's just so painfully clear that you have no idea what you are doing...
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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im doing a FD engine swap in my car and i change the harness to a FD one and if i did knew that if changing the wiring is was going to take me 2 month to figure it out and be such a pain in the trash, i wouldnt done it, if youre going to keep the stock turbo II engine, buy the adapter for the power FC in banzay racing and put a second igniter on the trailing coils and youre good to go.
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by slo
NOPE, they use reluctors just like the FC. I swapped my haltech from 13b-re to rew WITHOUT changing any haltech trigger settings.
Oops, sorry. Deleted my original post with the misinformation. Serves me right for not checking the FSM first....
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