external wastegate = no creep = less boost = less power = engine lives

internal wastegate = creep = more boost = KABAM....


the wastegates job is to remove power. so the less power your engine can take, the bigger the one you need

 

sweet. if they make a upgrade kit for TII's, I'll get it .(as long as its cheaper than the greddy kit)
and I'd love to have an external wastegate(2, if neccesary)

I did mine for about $1500. $1200 for parts car, $300 in other parts needed(gaskets, senors, etc..).

 

how much does everyone think this is going to cost...

because i cant see it costing less than a few thousand.

This is what I can come up with using the lowest prices i thought would be reasonable:

Turbo 600
Waste Gate (2) 200
Intercooler 300
intercooler piping 150
manifold 250
fuel pressure regulator (probably) 150
downpipe of some sort to fit the stock exaust 100
misc mounting hardware 100
blow off valve 150

thats $2200 and thats probably low... well i guess it depends on what they are getting, if they are making the front mount kit themselves or not

then they have to cover their r&d costs... i cant see them selling it for less than 2.5 - 3k

what does everyone else think?

 

ACTUALLY!

I own a S5 N/A.

In the summer I would like to try and do a complete TII swap. Now finding ALL the parts, getting a rebuilt motor, just to end up with stock 200 - 210 BHP... that's alot of dough.

I would definately be up for a bolt on kit, with even a stock S5 turbo... for UNDER 2K. May sound impossible... but any more, and I might as well do the complete S5 TII swap.. even though that'll be over 5K when I'm done... if not more!

Yah... this bolt on turbo kit is sounding better and better

If they can get say... 215 RWHP out of it... safely on the N/A drivetrane, with decent reliability (I know there will be a decent decrease though) I'll be all over it. Guranteed (in the summer).

I'm sure a AFC will be necessary, which I am luckily prepared... but this "bolt on kit" will be far from that. Do you have to run a standalone on a turbocharged n/a? If so... ouch, there's another G gone.


Sigh... I can only hope this can be SLIGHTLY affordable and easy

 

Yep that's my magic price too.

I want a turbo, wastegate(s), and manifold for under 2k. It would be nice if it included the pipe to get the exhaust back to the cat.

I don't think intercooler, fuel pump, injectors, etc should be part of it. Price is key.

That picture is looking very nice though

 

Like I said it won't be cheap which most N/a guys want, myself included, so no one will buy it with exception of the people that have money but don't want to buy a TII which is few. You all have to face the facts how many people go for full turbo upgrades with their TII's? not many. Most go with hybrid turbo's so they don't have to buy a manifold that costs 250(or any of the other upgrades you need when you go with a full upgrade) dollars or get a stand alone. Even among the TII people there are poor peeps. I still stand by my view. And its not apples and oranges. All of the smaller parts makers would agree the N/a croud and the FC croud are tightwads and poor to boot. Look at waht hIGGI is selling with his TB adapter for FMIC applications and I have seen him post that he would make more things if there was actual people to buy from him. Look at MS7 he won't make a CF part unless he needs it himself because noone will step up with the cash or they all never get back to you. And it is only worse when the cost of an item(kit) in this occasion is sky high because we all know it won't be even close to cheap.


Santiago

 

LMAO

Um, not close actually. First let me clear something up. These are going to mainly sold to dune buggy owners with 13B N/A motors in them. We are also R&D'ing them to work on FC's, therefore the FC owner benefits, while the buggy owners with their overly deep pockets will probably buy most of them. The argument over internal wastegates versus external is not even worth covering. Lets clear a few things.

I don't care if anyone buys the kit when we finish. As with most everything else we do, we do it for ourselves, and if others want one to then we will sell one. We did the first CF hoods in the US, and didn't care if anyone bought one because we wanted a few of them for our cars. Believe me if no one buys a single part of the kit in the FC realm, I won't loose any money or sleep over it. God this forum irritates me LOL You guys think I do this to get rich??? You don't know me then if so.

The kit won't include an intercooler, but as I stated on my forum, it will include a fuel enrichment system, and no I am not telling you what it is. It will run on the stock ECU, without problems. The turbo, manifold, etc are all priced wrong. I don't plan to make alot of the money off this kit from the sale, I will profit off of it when I install it on a buggy at the shop, make sense?

Discuss it amongst yourselves, but I will release more info, on my forum, when there is news. I don't like releasing info until I know things work. This isn't garage fab 101. I want to release a finished product, that fits, works, and is what is advertised.

 

Dave, you are the man!!! I'm hoping I'll be keepin my cars and not sellin them so I can get the kit. I'm going to do a build up on a 6port to handle big boost, so how upgradeable will the kit be? I'd like to run a to4e or something to that extent, hopefully, but we'll just have to see.

 

I doubt it has anything to do with you in particular. There are a lot of people on this forum with the attitude "Turboing an n/a? That's unpossible/worthless." Pretty much anyone who brings up the subject here gets flamed. It's very lame, but there are a lot of naysayers that jump in on almost any project. Heck, we have people here who can't even handle the idea of a turbo hood on an n/a rx-7, let alone a real turbo!



Will you also sell this kit without this mystery system?
Any chance of it hitting the $2k price point?

 

The reason most people get all flamed up that want to turbo and N/A is because they are the ricers that say ok I'll just slap a turbo on a start boosting, oh and some NOZ too! The people who are serious (have the resources and know-how) about turboing and N/A (arroncake, dave, and a few others) Know its possible and know how to do it so they don't need to ask on the board.
I am a firm beliver in the "If you need to ask if its ok or how-to you shouldn't be doing it" philosophy. You should research and learn what you need to know before making a decision on a mod.

 

Dave, my post wasnt ment in any way to attack you or your product, I think its great that you are doing this, regardless of the price that it ends up with.

I was just thinking in my head of a price it could be done for.

Myself personaly I have dreams of supercharging my car (some sort of setup with a whipple and fuel injection, possibly intercooled) so that obvously is going to be in the 3k and up range... so I was just trying to figure out if this would be a consideration for me.

Hope that clears things up and I certainly apreciate and have the utmost respect for innovators in this community.

 

i own three n/a's and to say it unpossible/worthless to put a turbo on it is bs. a turbo is a universal piece of equipment and can and will work on any gas and desiel powered engine. if done right it will work flawlessly from motorcycle to mack truck.

 

i'm sure to buy one or just the manifold because i have some turbos and still accumalating more.i think people forgot what the world of rotary is about. most people only look in one direction and thats just about as far as the can see, what the need to realized is that possiblities are unlimited. ideas work and fail and so do people, all or none is how i see it. i can't see taking a perfectly running engine out to swap another one in.(n/a to tii) the only way i see that happening is after i install this kit the motor pop, all in all the turbo kit will work on the tii engine and perform better than the stock and most people upgrade the stock system anyway spending about the same amount of money.my opinion

 

That's quite and interesting philosophy you have for yourself there.

 

heh.. keeps you from killing your car that and you know exactly what ur doing so thats good lol

 

Yep. And not knowing the details necessary to install one on a particular vehicle does not make you a ricer or an idiot.

Then you come here looking for helpful advice and get responses like "if you don't already know, you can't do it".