my car is in pieces but done (except for suspension, paint, and wheels) and I've spent less than the "few grand for a gxl, few grand for the turbo kit" etc.

there are shitloads of turbo miatas. and shitloads of turbo 240s. not sure about the Rams though

I wonder how Dave will deal with all the people bitching when they strap a turbo to their 110k mile n/a engine and blow it up...

 

If the kits work with both s4 and s5 models, I can guarantee he'll sell at least one, (to me). I have cash waiting, but no s5 donor T2 local to me. And I'm not shipping one.. I'll probably just get an FD if I can't get this kit or a donor car soon. Although I love having a vert. I'd hate to give that up. Chicks dig it.

 

they will sell, there are these things called credit cards that people like to max out you hear of people blowing motors and popping 1-2K for a rebuild...the money is there but the question is how long will the motors last?

 

You really need to move on. Not every NEW thing that costs a few bucks will meet low actual sales. You can't compare this kit to the cold air intake your developed that not very many bought.
Apples to oranges buddy.

 

why not just buy a turbo engine

 

Novel idea!

 

Well, since that site still isn't working, (I swear fc3s.org is on the slowest host I have ever connected to), anyone want to copy the specs?

I'd be curious to know which turbo they're going with most of all...

 

Their manifold and wastegates!

 

try www.clubfc3s.com for more info

 

why are there 2 wastegates?? why are they externals??

 

why are there 2 wastgates?? why are they externals??

 

Because we are seeing how external gates will work with the N/A. That is the setup we are doing for the turbo upgrade kit for TII's. Why not see what it does on an N/A?

The info isn't on the main site. It's on the site SDRotary-FC posted. The main site is so slow because there are so many people on it, and most of which are using the 4mb PDF FSM files. We plan to upgrade the server this year sometime when time allows.

 

Sweet!

Hopefully this will be for sale around the time I finish my ECU project

 

There seems to be more and more people running dual gates lately, and for the most part external wastegates offer better control. Plus it means the people putting this turbo kit together don't have to worry about using a turbo with an internal wastegate, it just leaves them with more options I would think.

 

credit where credit is due; the manifold looks great so far but I'm just stuck on this dual external gate issue...I'm all for testing things out to see how it works for the NA guys but it's even overkill for TII street applications IMHO. I think a ported internally gated S5 turbo is the way to go for the NA kit...the S5's as we all know won't creep when ported correctly and I think cost is a big issue for the NA people who would get this kit. sure, I said previously that people will always max their credit cards on stuff like this and it would sell - but cost is still a big push and the extra $ is significant for TWO external gates. We run them for some customer applications at their request but mostly use internal wastegates for all our turbo'd cars including my 400hp GVR4, our 650hp Z31T, our old 450 hp STi Version 5 etc... I'm curious to see how the externals compare to the stock internal unit for the NA kit...I still think it's overkill even for the TII's but it makes more sense there for a manifold and turbo upgrade than an NA turbo kit. you gus have stepped up though, I hope it all works out - I'm sure many many NA guys are praising you for the undertaking. If I didn't have my kevin landers TII conversion I'd be interested.

 

Whether the base engine is NA or Turbo is completely irrelevant. That fact is that external wastegates offer more precise control over boost, simple as that. If you can afford it, there's no reason not to go external.

Calling dual wastegates overkill is also ignoring the fact that those are quite small wastegates. There're obviously selected to deal with one rotor each.

 

personally, I wouldnt spend 1500-2000 on a bolt on turbo kit, when I could get a Jspec turbo engine and rebuild for that much.

 

I would deff. get the kit when it come out, but first gotta check my compression to make sure its good .

 

Hmm...It's about time someone actually made NA turbo kits....Wait a sec, there have been at least 3 made in the past, yet they didn't sell. Two things that I worry about:

1. FC3S.ORG is wasting their time. I seriously hope this is not true.

2. We're going to have a lot of people bolting them onto their 200K engines and popping them shortly after. Based on the questions I receive because of my turbo-NA stuff, I find this highly likely. 99% of people who ask these questions have no business changing their oil, let alone adding forced induction to their engines.

 

i dont think they are wasting their time, Its a good product to sell if it is high quality, decently priced, and marketed correctly. However, you are right that many probably will be put on high mileage engines, and installed by people that don't know what they are doing. I still think a price that large is too much though. If it was 900-1000 I would consider going for it, as Im sure other people would.

 

i agree... if it's anywhere from 1500-2000, i'll buy. BUT isn't that why the previous attempts of turbo kits never worked? i'm estimating it to be around $3-4000. i can do a j-spec TII swap for $2500. that includes the TII tranny/driveline.

i also don't think it'll sell many.

i hope i'm wrong though.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to say that FC3S.ORG is wasting their time. I meant that as "I hope they are not wasting their time". My positive-negative wording makes it sound opposite.

 

yeah I picked up what you meant just after I posted. But I still can't justify spending that much on a turbo kit when I could get a newly rebuilt and most likely installed turbo engine and tranny for that much.

 

ok, whether it's an NA or a TII is completely relevant bc an NA motor cannot support the power that a TII can meaning it doesn't necessitate an external gate (and thats a stretch on a TII). and my other point was that it's cost overkill to an NA owner who wants some boost - why jack up the price with un needed externals (more than one, not necessary) and potentially lose customers bc of price. I'm sure they know what they are doing and are just in the test phases but I'm fairly confident the externals wont make it to the NA kit.

 

You sir have just made a very wrong statement.