Exhaust manifold -> pre-cat stud removal help needed
I installed my racing beat downpipe / cat delete / presilencer friday night but I encountered a small problem along the way. When removing the 2 nuts that hold the exhaust manifold to the first pre-cat the one on the passenger side jammed part-way off and it demolished 5 or 6 full rows of threads, right where the nut needs to sit. Since it also removed all the threads on the nut itself I simply used that nut as a spacer and another nut from the factory exhaust on the end of the stud where there are still threads, but I was hoping to get under there and replace the stud so that I can have this all put together properly and I don't have to worry about this band-aid fix coming apart later.
I looked up the stud and it seems to be a special M12x1.25 threaded-on-both-ends stud, it doesn't look to be pressed in, but I am wondering what the best way to remove the existing stud is. When removing the nut I had to apply in excess of 150lb-ft to get it off the first time, and although I have a stud remover I think applying much more force than this is likely to simply snap the stud, at which point I will end up drilling and tapping which I don't really want to do (M12x1.25 taps are hard to find and are expensive).
Is the factory stud installed with some kind of thread sealant or loctite? Do I need to heat the stud with a propane torch before trying to remove it? Any tips would be appreciated
I looked up the stud and it seems to be a special M12x1.25 threaded-on-both-ends stud, it doesn't look to be pressed in, but I am wondering what the best way to remove the existing stud is. When removing the nut I had to apply in excess of 150lb-ft to get it off the first time, and although I have a stud remover I think applying much more force than this is likely to simply snap the stud, at which point I will end up drilling and tapping which I don't really want to do (M12x1.25 taps are hard to find and are expensive).
Is the factory stud installed with some kind of thread sealant or loctite? Do I need to heat the stud with a propane torch before trying to remove it? Any tips would be appreciated
No factory will put loctite on exhaust bolts.
Why? cuz they will eventually rust and stuck anyway, whats the point ?
if PB Blaster doesn't work (most likely won't,especially if its seized badly), then you need a torch, Heat the nut, use a water hose over the bolt, the heat/shrink effect will 90% of the time crack and loosen all the rust. repeat this couple of times, should be able to do it in about 1/2 hour. then just break it loose.
if you still can't get it off (round off threads and the nut just keeps spining/won't move), then your last resort is to grind it off with a cut-off wheel. this method always works but you gotta be careful.
Why? cuz they will eventually rust and stuck anyway, whats the point ?
if PB Blaster doesn't work (most likely won't,especially if its seized badly), then you need a torch, Heat the nut, use a water hose over the bolt, the heat/shrink effect will 90% of the time crack and loosen all the rust. repeat this couple of times, should be able to do it in about 1/2 hour. then just break it loose.
if you still can't get it off (round off threads and the nut just keeps spining/won't move), then your last resort is to grind it off with a cut-off wheel. this method always works but you gotta be careful.
The nut comes off no problem, and I have a stud remover which grips extremely well so I am not worried about being able to get a grip on the stud. My main worry is that the stud can't take the torque I will need to put on it and will snap off, then be nearly impossible to drill out and require an expensive tap to repair the hole.
I still need to order the replacement stud, but once it comes in I'll start PB blastering the stud daily (the rx-7 isn't my daily driver so it can just sit while I do this). Since the end of the stud I am talking about is secured to the exhaust manifold itself will the heat/cool trick work, or will the manifold simply absorb all of the heat I am trying to put into the stud before I can get a big temperature difference?
I still need to order the replacement stud, but once it comes in I'll start PB blastering the stud daily (the rx-7 isn't my daily driver so it can just sit while I do this). Since the end of the stud I am talking about is secured to the exhaust manifold itself will the heat/cool trick work, or will the manifold simply absorb all of the heat I am trying to put into the stud before I can get a big temperature difference?
You willl thank yourself if you return that downpipe and buy the header. trying to screw around with hardware on 20+ year old exhaust especially those boat anchors they call an exhaust manifold is recipe for frustration and a lot of wasted time...
And start with the liquid wrench / PB blaster on a daily basis on the header studs on the motor till the header arrives.
I have a header that will bolt up with a stock cat location presilencer/racepipe for sale
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And start with the liquid wrench / PB blaster on a daily basis on the header studs on the motor till the header arrives.

I have a header that will bolt up with a stock cat location presilencer/racepipe for sale
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Can't exactly return something I bought used, and I bought it mostly for the purpose of replacing the stock cats which had rusted through in several places and were falling off the car, so even if I could return it I'd be in a much worse situation 
If the price is really good I'd consider changing the header for the HP gain, but goal #1 was to get this car safety inspected and out on the auto-x track to start having fun with it, and I couldn't do that with multiple exhaust leaks.
Right now it looks like I can fix this stud for ~$6 (maybe ~$15 if I have to buy new gaskets) if I can just get the thing out of there. It also doesn't leak right now, I am just looking to replace it for peace of mind.

If the price is really good I'd consider changing the header for the HP gain, but goal #1 was to get this car safety inspected and out on the auto-x track to start having fun with it, and I couldn't do that with multiple exhaust leaks.
Right now it looks like I can fix this stud for ~$6 (maybe ~$15 if I have to buy new gaskets) if I can just get the thing out of there. It also doesn't leak right now, I am just looking to replace it for peace of mind.
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