95blacks14

RB26DETT anyone ever put this engine in?
2JZGTE anyone ever put it in?

anyone know how hard it is to do it? any links? you guys can cuff up? cant seem to find any.., maybe i'm not looking hard enough? these are just some swaps my brother is consider on doing.., anything would help.., any swaps recommend? we're just getting into the rotary scene so help us out thanks guys

Racer 13B

(puts on flame suit.)

Icemark

Not gonna get too far "into the rotary scene" using piston engines.

95blacks14

LOL yeah put it on BOY.., geez dont get offended, i said these are just engines we are considering.., i also asked for recommended ENGINES.., be nice man geez..

Icemark

okay... IMO recommended engines for the FC are the 13B, 13BT, and 20B.

Racer 13B

Yeah i agree. keep it rotary.

RexRyder

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RX7 with pistons = PX7. Stick with the rotary

AreExSeven

Corksport has the engine and the ECU and harness, and K2RD carries the mounts. It'll cost ya a pretty penny though.

banzaitoyota

If you most ask,it means you have not done any research. If you have not done any research, it means you have not searched. Which means the next question from you will be "Where can I get a CF HOOD for my FC?"

USE THE SEARCH BUTTON, this question is so over asked; its beyond annoying. 97.35% of the people on this board can not afford this mod to one of the following reasons:
A. You cant friggin afford it. 10-12K + (IF you are GOOD)
B. You couldn't friggin drive it if you COULD build it
C. You couldn't aford the insurance
D. You couldn't tune it.

I apologize for my cyacism, but when you start a post with a uninformed question that is offensive to the ROTARY ENGINE enthusiast, you will get a cynacal answer.

jspecracer7

Don't start a thread asking this...I swear I will flame you for not searching

jspecracer7

Banzai...I like your thinking.

banzaitoyota

I'm having a hard enough time selling my wife that I NEED my GXL Autox bomber and a TII!!!

PJ RX-7

I'll cut you some slack because I'm a newbie too. Anyways, from what I've read and researched, its not worth the effort to put in a 20B unless you're sponsored.
I live near a place called Alamo Rotary and they charge $36,000 to do a 20B conversion. Most places charge $30-$40,000 to do it right. (if you have no mechanical experience with rotaries and if you want it done RIGHT) IMHO, whether you think the piston engine is a POS or not, You can build a 396 Stoker for 1/3 the cost of this conversion, and produce HP and Torque gains MUCH higher than a 20B.

Just some background info on the 20B. It was exclusive to the RX-7 luxury coupe IN JAPAN. Several U.S. vendors sell them, but they cost thousands more than a 13B or 13BT for that matter. Anyways, these engines have 3 rotors instead of two, (a rotor essentially is the replacement for the piston in a rotary engine) and they are sequentially twin turbocharged. Again, they are only available in the 3rd gen RX-7 luxury coupe. In a nutshell what I'm trying to say is that a 20B's cost HIGHLY outweighs its performance value, at least IMO.

I'm gonna get a RX-7 to turn into a PJ car starting in January of next year. I would like to see if I can put a 13B-REW (the 3rd gen U.S. RX-7 engine) in a 89-91 TII, but I'll run a search to find out. If not, my next choice (preferred actually) is to go with a 13BT, the engine used in the 87-91 RX-7 TII models. The 13B Turbo is probably your best bet.

Just out of curiosity, why would you want an RX-7 if you wanted to do a piston engine swap? The RX-7's flagship quality is its rotary-powered engine. I realize that you said what RECOMMENDED engines, but do you honestly expect someone on a rotary message board to recommend a Supra or Skyline engine, let alone a piston engine? I'm looking for an RX-7 because of its aggressive body styling and more importantly, its ROTARY powered engine, its something new, something dofferent, which is why I am gonna turn it into a project car. I still have ALOT of reading to do about these cars, I spend all day on this message board, and despite what people say about piston engines, I STILL think they are more reliable. IMO, (putting on flame suit) the rotary is more reliable IN THEORY. As I scan the pages of this forum, I read alot of threads with problems on this engine, I counted 8 on the first page yesterday. Despite using more components, I think conventional engines are more reliable. You see alot of people saying stuff like "rotor or no motor" and alot of these people's cars are sitting in their driveway with a blown motor.

My mom's piston engine from a 94 Mercury Topaz, a FWD 4 cyl, has lasted 620,000+ miles WITHOUT EVER HAVING A SINGLE PART IN THE ENGINE REBUILT. NO RODS, VALVES, HEAD, PISTONS, CRANK, nothing. There are many F-Body's 5.7L V8's that last in excess of 200,000 miles before needing a rebuild. I can't say the same for the rotary. Based on what I've read ON THIS BOARD, a WELL-MAINTAINED rotary will last 100K milessome last 150,000+, but most last 100K before needing a rebuild.

I've even seen in quite a few posts where someone JUST bought a REX, members on this board telling them "Save for a rebuild, you're gonna need it". I would expect something more along the lines of, get this kakimoto exhaust, or this Apex'i intake, etc.

I realize that the car is 13 years old, but my uncle has a 73 Buick LeSabre (5.7L 350) and my cousin has a 72 Buick ELectra 225 (7.4L 455) They both bought their cars about 4 months ago and haven't had to replace NEARLY as much stuff as the rotary owners. And these cars are damn near 30 years old and have never had a rebuild, so that proves to me that reliability still favors the piston engines.

Anyways, I'm not here to flame the rotary or discourage you from getting an RX-7, I'm just warning you to be aware of its reliability characteristics. I wouldn't recommend one as a daily driver, my uncle has had 4 and babied them, and still they needed to be rebuilt at a certain point. My uncle actually still has an 87' to this day with 240,000+ miles without ever needing a rebuild.

Banzaitoyota, I'm gonna make a correction for you real quick please don't take it the wrong way, I try to get along with everyone. Anyway, "cynacal" is actually spelled cynical, if you're not sure about a word, use this: http://www.m-w.com/

Well, thats all the advice/opinions that I have to offer based on what I've read so far, but it is a good idea to use the search, I've found everything I was looking for 100% of the time I used it.

RX-7Impreza

Here is my problem with your question.... imports do not have the most power potential on the market. if you want raw power you can buy a big block. the thing that makes tuning and racing imports great is that you are squeezing power out of a small engine. on top of that you have different makes of cars having different pro's and con's. this is why you have people writing HONDA in big letters on their cars, they are proud of their "pro's"

of ALL of the imports the RX-7 is the MOST unique, it is unique because of the rotary and if you take that out then this is not the board for you, we are more ROTARY enthusiasts than RX-7 enthusiasts. To an enthusiast (and you wont find many more enthusiastic than those here) what you are asking is equal to prostitution. many here dont like the idea of V8 swaps but they recognize the need for easy power. It will be a sad sad day when i come across an RX-7 with a 4 or 6 cylinder in it. i shiver to think.

you want a piston engine import??? I recomend buying one that way...

but its your car, do what you will, just dont expect much help on your swap on this board.

Justin

banzaitoyota

Hey, no offense taking, I'm a 3D cadd designer, keyboarding is not my strong suit. I type fast and make mistakes.

Suds

**** off, piston engines suck sloppy donkey dick, they are wasteful, inefficient, too many parts, they look dumb, they sound dumb.



The only reason the rotary blows up is because of people like you, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF IT. You ******.




Rotor or no motor, bitch.

RX-7Impreza

i agree with last post. if idiots werent allowed to drive cars there would be no need for the OMP and you would have to put 2 stroke in it, i work at Home depot and do you know how many people cant even mix oil and gas correctly.

my engine is running over 200,000 miles and i know many more like it. they regularly run over 100,000 from the factory and i have seen them with over 500,000.

Justin

CrackHeadMel

iTrader: (2)

My cars No Rotor... no motor =[
it will have a rotor some day

ChainSawOnSteroids

im going to guess that the suit you put on, is quite think,lol but its your opinion and no one can take that away (at least not in a good suit)

rico05

RB26DETT, been done. Don't have the link, but it was done in Japan. 2JZ-GTE...http://www.supercars.net/garages/imp...x14/141v2.html

Akagi_Red_Sun

The 20B did not come in the "3rd gen rx-7 luxury coupe". There is no rx-7 luxury coupe, the rx-7 is a sports car.

The 20B came in the Eunos Cosmo, which came with two engine types, the 13B-RE, or the three rotor 20B.

The rx-7 is unique because of its rotary engine. Therefore, Most people on this forum think it is sacreligious to put a piston engine in a rx-7.

KNONFS

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Well If you do it by yourself, it will probably cost you 1/3 of the prices you mention.................Good Luck tuning it!


396 stoker? That's not a rotary engine, what’s the point then. I don't know what MUCH higher means, but that’s ok, I agree with the fact that you can always make more power with a Piston engine.........then again it is not a rotary engine.

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Just some background info on the 20B. It was exclusive to the RX-7 luxury coupe IN JAPAN. Several U.S. vendors sell them, but they cost thousands more than a 13B or 13BT for that matter. Anyways, these engines have 3 rotors instead of two, (a rotor essentially is the replacement for the piston in a rotary engine) and they are sequentially twin turbocharged. Again, they are only available in the 3rd gen RX-7 luxury coupe. In a nutshell what I'm trying to say is that a 20B's cost HIGHLY outweighs its performance value, at least IMO.

Not really the 20B is the engine that the Mazda Cosmo had as an OEM, check www.3rotor.com. The problem is that no many people have performed the 3 rotor conversion, and this people haven't gone ***** to the walls either

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I read alot of threads with problems on this engine, I counted 8 on the first page yesterday. Despite using more components, I think conventional engines are more reliable. You see alot of people saying stuff like "rotor or no motor" and alot of these people's cars are sitting in their driveway with a blown motor.

My mom's piston engine from a 94 Mercury Topaz, a FWD 4 cyl, has lasted 620,000+ miles WITHOUT EVER HAVING A SINGLE PART IN THE ENGINE REBUILT. NO RODS, VALVES, HEAD, PISTONS, CRANK, nothing. There are many F-Body's 5.7L V8's that last in excess of 200,000 miles before needing a rebuild. I can't say the same for the rotary. Based on what I've read ON THIS BOARD, a WELL-MAINTAINED rotary will last 100K milessome last 150,000+, but most last 100K before needing a rebuild.

Agree the rotary engine won't last as long as a Piston engine, however keep in mind that 95% of the rotary owners in this board, redline their cars daily, abuse it (in a good way), and use the car as a real sport car. I bet you that the Topaz you mentioned never never saw redline, and if it did it was a matter of once a year.

F-body might last well over 200K miles, however how many owners that raced their fbody haven't opened their engines before the 200K miles. If you are to open the engine might as well and rebuild it, at least that’s the way I see it.

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I realize that the car is 13 years old, but my uncle has a 73 Buick LeSabre (5.7L 350) and my cousin has a 72 Buick ELectra 225 (7.4L 455) They both bought their cars about 4 months ago and haven't had to replace NEARLY as much stuff as the rotary owners. And these cars are damn near 30 years old and have never had a rebuild, so that proves to me that reliability still favors the piston engines.

Again these engines were never raced\redlined, and if they are now, a rebuild will be in order very soon....

My .02

E6KT2

Wrong. Flat out wrong. Unless you build a supercharged drag engine and rebuild it every 3mi. A 600-700hp 20B is not that difficult to do. If you keep that 396 carb'd to save money, you will not make near the same hp. Quiet newbie.

Icemark

I personally think you are smoking too much crack if you think that a early '70s GM V8 has not had a rebuild or replacement at least two or three times since 1973.

I have regularly seen GM motors of that vintage only last 60K-70K miles and then needing a ring and valve job.

probably the next thing you will say is that they don't leak anything either....

and you said:.That is incorrect. The 20B never came in an RX-7.. only in the Cosmo.

PJ RX-7

That's funny. Especially since I mentioned:

1) That I don't even HAVE an RX-7 yet.

2) I spend all day on this board READING. So I WON'T **** it up, like so many people do. And I would think that these "idiots" as you call them, wouldn't be on a rotary performance site of all places. Apparently they know something, or they wouldn't be handing out uncontested advice on a daily basis.

I may be a newbie, but I READ, knowledge is power too, you know.

As far as "no rotor, no motor" I wonder if you'd be as enthusiastic about that slogan if you had to ride the bus? :frown: Or maybe if I whooped the **** out of your car with my T/A. I could go around here proclaiming ignorant slogans like "There's no replacement for displacement", but I choose not to because its simply not true.

As I mentioned earlier, I have no intention of coming on here to flame, only to gain knowledge and interest in the rotary. If I put as much money into my T/A as I will into the RX-7 when I get it, I could be running low 11's high 10's. Having tons of power stock is cool, but I want to take something "weaker" and whoop the **** out of a vette.

"396 stoker? That's not a rotary engine, what’s the point then. I don't know what MUCH higher means, but that’s ok, I agree with the fact that you can always make more power with a Piston engine.........then again it is not a rotary engine"

MUCH higher means 700+RWHP and 850+ ft-lbs. or torque. As you mentioned, that's piston, not rotary. I'll adress that in just a second.

"Agree the rotary engine won't last as long as a Piston engine, however keep in mind that 95% of the rotary owners in this board, redline their cars daily, abuse it (in a good way), and use the car as a real sport car. I bet you that the Topaz you mentioned never never saw redline, and if it did it was a matter of once a year.

F-body might last well over 200K miles, however how many owners that raced their fbody haven't opened their engines before the 200K miles. If you are to open the engine might as well and rebuild it, at least that’s the way I see it."


Thanks for being objective, rather than throwing pointless slogans around. I'm sure other people realize this as well, but are too blinded by their pride to admit the truth. Of course you're right about the Topaz, it doesn't see a redline daily. But F-Body's do, infact many F-Body owners with minimal mods are now shifting at 6300-7200 RPMS, but the stock engine redlines at 5000. There are even some people who drive 383 strokers daily, which are said to last much less due to the stroke length and vibrations. They drive them hard and fast, too.

And if this statement is true: "**** off, piston engines suck sloppy donkey dick, they are wasteful, inefficient, too many parts, they look dumb, they sound dumb."

Then the cars running 400+ HP would be wearing out alot faster than they are. BTw, I wasn't aware an engine could sound dumb. Who cares what it LOOKS like? You can't see the block anyway?
I also find it strange how, due to its wasteful and ineffiecient nature, that 90% of the automotive industry never dumped it in favor of the rotary, which as you pointed out is obviously superior.

Unlike suds, I don't believe that any one engine is superior to the other. I heard that the rotary was POS and breaks all the time. I had 2 choices, toot my horn and say, I'm glad I have a superior piston engine OR I could READ for myself and have draw my OWN conclusion about the rotary. From what I've read, I feel its superior in EVERY way, except reliability.

"The 20B did not come in the "3rd gen rx-7 luxury coupe". There is no rx-7 luxury coupe, the rx-7 is a sports car.

"Actually, sports cars do come with alot of features that luxury cars come with too. They include high-quality stereos, power options on EVERYTHING, and Leather interiors. Maybe not what some of you would call a "true" sports car, but many sports car have these features. The 3000GT and Trans Am come to mind.



The 20B came in the Eunos Cosmo, which came with two engine types, the 13B-RE, or the three rotor 20B."

I apologize for making the statement about the "luxury coupe" But I read that on a link supplied on this site. Again, I apologize for the misinformation.

"The rx-7 is unique because of its rotary engine. Therefore, Most people on this forum think it is sacreligious to put a piston engine in a rx-7."

I totally agree.

"Again these engines were never raced\redlined, and if they are now, a rebuild will be in order very soon.... "

While I can't speak for my family's cars, I can tell you that Buick Electras used to be raced hard back in the 70's and 80's on tracks across the country. THe strange part is that they weighed 6,000lbs. But with that type of displacement, some people ran 14's in them.

"Here is my problem with your question.... imports do not have the most power potential on the market. if you want raw power you can buy a big block. the thing that makes tuning and racing imports great is that you are squeezing power out of a small engine. on top of that you have different makes of cars having different pro's and con's. this is why you have people writing HONDA in big letters on their cars, they are proud of their "pro's"

I agee with this totally, but you DID say import. Which means you're also referring to PISTON engines. You can take a 1.6L Civic engine and squeexe 600+HP out of it. I'm not questioning the DISPLACEMENT, I'm questioning the amount of POWER GAIN compared to the PRICE. In layman's terms "Bang for your buck"

of ALL of the imports the RX-7 is the MOST unique, it is unique because of the rotary and if you take that out then this is not the board for you, we are more ROTARY enthusiasts than RX-7 enthusiasts. To an enthusiast (and you wont find many more enthusiastic than those here) what you are asking is equal to prostitution. many here dont like the idea of V8 swaps but they recognize the need for easy power. It will be a sad sad day when i come across an RX-7 with a 4 or 6 cylinder in it. i shiver to think.

you want a piston engine import??? I recomend buying one that way...

but its your car, do what you will, just dont expect much help on your swap on this board."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Suds: Instead of flaming everyone who doesn't have your God-like knowledge of RX-7's and the rotary, why don't you try being more informative and less of a smart-***. There was a comment posted my another member yesterday that said, "why is it tht every time someone new to the site asks a question about these cars, they always get a smart-*** remark or get flamed." Can you answer that?