Engine Teardown Pics
06-16-04, 03:24 PM
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Engine Teardown Pics
I had originally posted this thread In the Canadian Forum.
This Is my s5 TII conversion Engine that went **** up from previous builder. With the assitance of Aaron Cake we have since built a true Iron work horse. I'll post pics later on that.
For the picturestic types...
Here Is what I started with. I best describe It as a beautiful piece of junk.
From the very beginning of when I received my Engine back I knew I smelt something foul...observe the alignment of the Waterpump/Main Crank Pullies. They are way off. Hmmm..
With me being overly tired of bring out the rag to wipe down the Alternator Belt dust I went on to add ss washers behind the Water Pump Pulley. Little did I know at the time that what lied a head.
From the very beginning, we had tremendous problems removing the Rear Iron Plate...the Rear Stationary Gear didn't want to budge. The enevidable followed.
Bringing out the hardware.
Forget that. I realized the use of a weeny screwdriver wasn't going to do It. A third person was called In to help.
*Note* The simutaneous use of Pry Bars and Blow Hammers have no use In conventional Rotary Engine teardowns.
This Is my s5 TII conversion Engine that went **** up from previous builder. With the assitance of Aaron Cake we have since built a true Iron work horse. I'll post pics later on that.
For the picturestic types...
Here Is what I started with. I best describe It as a beautiful piece of junk.
From the very beginning of when I received my Engine back I knew I smelt something foul...observe the alignment of the Waterpump/Main Crank Pullies. They are way off. Hmmm..
With me being overly tired of bring out the rag to wipe down the Alternator Belt dust I went on to add ss washers behind the Water Pump Pulley. Little did I know at the time that what lied a head.
From the very beginning, we had tremendous problems removing the Rear Iron Plate...the Rear Stationary Gear didn't want to budge. The enevidable followed.
Bringing out the hardware.
Forget that. I realized the use of a weeny screwdriver wasn't going to do It. A third person was called In to help.
*Note* The simutaneous use of Pry Bars and Blow Hammers have no use In conventional Rotary Engine teardowns.
06-16-04, 03:26 PM
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To my delight the Rear Stationary Gear Bearing was fused to the Eccentric Shaft.
A blow torch and multiple prybars were used to remove It. I shake my head In disbelief...
After 2 patient hours the 2nd Stationary Gear Bearing was removed.
The treat to myself was acknowledged when I took the Front Cover off. We do know that the White Teflon Ring surround goes around the black O-Ring In a s5 Turbo Engine, right? We'll mine didn't contain one, let alone the fact that I observed to see the O-Ring was pinched.
WTF?
A blow torch and multiple prybars were used to remove It. I shake my head In disbelief...
After 2 patient hours the 2nd Stationary Gear Bearing was removed.
The treat to myself was acknowledged when I took the Front Cover off. We do know that the White Teflon Ring surround goes around the black O-Ring In a s5 Turbo Engine, right? We'll mine didn't contain one, let alone the fact that I observed to see the O-Ring was pinched.
WTF?
06-16-04, 03:29 PM
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My poor Engine didn't stand a chance. Aside from the Needle Bearing, observe the Incredible heat (oil starvation) the Thrust Plate went through. This Is a relatively thick Plate. To see It burnt and starting to crack shows It endured a hell of alot of heat.
Whats left of the Torrington Bearing Assembly...
Who wants to make a Lamp out of this useless E-Shaft?
Metal chardes In and all through out the system.
The supposed "streetports" were an absolute diasaster. The Port face scribes were very visable on the Intermediate Housing. You'd think that the cast flashes within the facewould have been cleaned off too. Ideally yes, In this case no. Finally, the Runners were not touched. I say this Is not what one would expect when a Streetported TII Engine was asked for.
Whats left of the Torrington Bearing Assembly...
Who wants to make a Lamp out of this useless E-Shaft?
Metal chardes In and all through out the system.
The supposed "streetports" were an absolute diasaster. The Port face scribes were very visable on the Intermediate Housing. You'd think that the cast flashes within the facewould have been cleaned off too. Ideally yes, In this case no. Finally, the Runners were not touched.
I say this Is not what one would expect when a Streetported TII Engine was asked for.
06-16-04, 03:30 PM
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*Additional notes *
*Either A or B
A: Eccentric endplay not set correctly
B: Engine turned from Flywheel-side down before Front Cover installed. This caused the Torrington Bearing to fall Behind the Spacer. Based on the Pully alignment, this seems more likely. Either way, the bearing ate itself, clogged Oil passages and the Engine seized.
*not a single bolt (except perhaps the Flywheel bolt, hard to measure) torqued to spec.
*No O-Ring on Rear Stationary Gear.
*Sealant used on Rear Stationary (thus changing running clearances very slightly).
*1 oil Control O-Ring Spring upside-down.
*Either A or B
A: Eccentric endplay not set correctly
B: Engine turned from Flywheel-side down before Front Cover installed. This caused the Torrington Bearing to fall Behind the Spacer. Based on the Pully alignment, this seems more likely. Either way, the bearing ate itself, clogged Oil passages and the Engine seized.
*not a single bolt (except perhaps the Flywheel bolt, hard to measure) torqued to spec.
*No O-Ring on Rear Stationary Gear.
*Sealant used on Rear Stationary (thus changing running clearances very slightly).
*1 oil Control O-Ring Spring upside-down.
06-16-04, 04:15 PM
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wow looks like alot of fun ill make you a deal rebuild that whole sucker with a nice bridge port and correctly rebuilt and ill give you a total of $500 for it shipped of course =P lol nah man gj tho engine looks real nice other than the bad things which is mainly everything =P
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06-16-04, 04:42 PM
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How much for the trashed eshaft? That *would* make a pretty cool lamp :-) I can mount it to the torn up rear housing & rotor I have and have a real conversation piece.
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06-16-04, 10:48 PM
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Your the 2nd one to ask for the Eccentric Shaft. I was only kidding but If you want It, PM me. It does display a brilliant array of discolourment.It was a local shop that mangled my already mint s5 J-Spec. I had the Intention of rebuilding the core to establish a stout foundation. Soon thereafter, my Engine dies of oil starvation In a mere 989km's. Luckily, my MINT Rotor Housings wern't effected. Ironically, I can say that this was a good thing this happened.
06-17-04, 01:27 AM
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On the no teflon ring thing, some kits like the Rotary aviation one use an o-ring thats sized to not use the ring. If it has the same OD as the ID of the machned place for it, its the o-ring that doesnt use the ring.
06-17-04, 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by drago86
On the no teflon ring thing, some kits like the Rotary aviation one use an o-ring thats sized to not use the ring. If it has the same OD as the ID of the machned place for it, its the o-ring that doesnt use the ring.
On the no teflon ring thing, some kits like the Rotary aviation one use an o-ring thats sized to not use the ring. If it has the same OD as the ID of the machned place for it, its the o-ring that doesnt use the ring.
They made several excuses for the engine failing:
-boosting befor break in complete
-Microtech (explain that one...LOL)
-broken oil cooler line (Uh, I think we would have noticed that)
In addition, several weeks after the engine was installed and running the car mysteriously died on the highway. The car was brought back to Can-Saf for diagnosis and stayed there for a week. They could not figure out the problem, and blamed it on the Microtech (of course), the trailing coil not firing (the Microtech doesn't fire the trailings during cranking), etc. We brought the car back to silverrotor's place, and within 45 seconds it was diagnosed as a secondary fuel injector being stuck open. The lower intake was literally filled with fuel. We swapped in a spare injector, unflooded and fired it right up.
06-17-04, 10:42 AM
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That whole mess just stinks. Silver, if you need to sell a few more alt conversions to fund thie fix, let us know, I'll by another for my tii vert transplant (yet to be started)
06-17-04, 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Aaron Cake
This engine was built (poorly) with all stock gaskets and seals. The builder simply didn't have the knowledge to install the teflon ring. They also happened to leave out the o-ring on the rear stationary, as well as the o-rings in the lower intake. The excuse for the intake o-rings was "Uh, our 20B doesn't have them...". Great, but this is a 13B.
They made several excuses for the engine failing:
-boosting befor break in complete
-Microtech (explain that one...LOL)
-broken oil cooler line (Uh, I think we would have noticed that)
In addition, several weeks after the engine was installed and running the car mysteriously died on the highway. The car was brought back to Can-Saf for diagnosis and stayed there for a week. They could not figure out the problem, and blamed it on the Microtech (of course), the trailing coil not firing (the Microtech doesn't fire the trailings during cranking), etc. We brought the car back to silverrotor's place, and within 45 seconds it was diagnosed as a secondary fuel injector being stuck open. The lower intake was literally filled with fuel. We swapped in a spare injector, unflooded and fired it right up.
This engine was built (poorly) with all stock gaskets and seals. The builder simply didn't have the knowledge to install the teflon ring. They also happened to leave out the o-ring on the rear stationary, as well as the o-rings in the lower intake. The excuse for the intake o-rings was "Uh, our 20B doesn't have them...". Great, but this is a 13B.
They made several excuses for the engine failing:
-boosting befor break in complete
-Microtech (explain that one...LOL)
-broken oil cooler line (Uh, I think we would have noticed that)
In addition, several weeks after the engine was installed and running the car mysteriously died on the highway. The car was brought back to Can-Saf for diagnosis and stayed there for a week. They could not figure out the problem, and blamed it on the Microtech (of course), the trailing coil not firing (the Microtech doesn't fire the trailings during cranking), etc. We brought the car back to silverrotor's place, and within 45 seconds it was diagnosed as a secondary fuel injector being stuck open. The lower intake was literally filled with fuel. We swapped in a spare injector, unflooded and fired it right up.
If your that quick swing by my place and diagnose my problems
I have a few of them
02 problem.
Idleing and smoking.
Now a tach problem.
Draining battery etc.
06-17-04, 12:33 PM
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Maybe those guys who built the engine should take a look at some of the rebuild videos available. I know I will when the rebuild time is needed... I fear of making mistakes like that.
But I plan on following the video's exact, so hopefully it wont.
Sorry to hear about the loss silverrotor. Im sure you will get that thing back on the road and enjoying it in no time.
But I plan on following the video's exact, so hopefully it wont.
Sorry to hear about the loss silverrotor. Im sure you will get that thing back on the road and enjoying it in no time.
06-17-04, 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by IAN
45secs?
If your that quick swing by my place and diagnose my problems
I have a few of them
02 problem.
Idleing and smoking.
Now a tach problem.
Draining battery etc.
45secs?
If your that quick swing by my place and diagnose my problems
I have a few of them
02 problem.
Idleing and smoking.
Now a tach problem.
Draining battery etc.
It literally took 45 seconds to figure out what was wrong with Tony's car. It was blatently obvious based on the massive puddle of fuel...
06-17-04, 01:20 PM
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Haltech is from can-saf.
Tach was fine and indicating. (Just decided yesturday to stop indicating) It still shows up on the haltech. Funny thing is I did not touch nothing for the stock tach. Just ran the AVCR to the tach like it was running before for two years.
My car is possessed. I would like to say everything is wire correct and good but dam it! to many problems. Little ones that bite away at ya. Should have kept it stock. Dam car always ran and had no problems. This upgrade is actually a big project.
But really I'm off topic. I would like to see your new pics silverotor of the new engine and ports
Tach was fine and indicating. (Just decided yesturday to stop indicating) It still shows up on the haltech. Funny thing is I did not touch nothing for the stock tach. Just ran the AVCR to the tach like it was running before for two years.
My car is possessed. I would like to say everything is wire correct and good but dam it! to many problems. Little ones that bite away at ya. Should have kept it stock. Dam car always ran and had no problems. This upgrade is actually a big project.
But really I'm off topic. I would like to see your new pics silverotor of the new engine and ports
06-17-04, 01:27 PM
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O I should clarify some stuff. I only bought the haltech from can-saf and I did the install so any running issues is not directed at them so I hope there was no confusion etc.
The install is relatively simple such that really it should have no real issues.
Looks like you will be up and tuned/running again before me there silverrotor!
The install is relatively simple such that really it should have no real issues.
Looks like you will be up and tuned/running again before me there silverrotor!
06-17-04, 01:28 PM
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I wasnt defending the place, the motor was obiously horribly built, just pointing out that no teflon ring is sometimes correct depending on who you buy your parts from.