younG_Gunner

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Ok. So i finished my rebuild and dropped it in. Purchased a new starter and battery for first start up. Checked fuses and they are good. On initial start up I had my DD as a jumper for me to have extra juice. When I went to start, there was no crank. But I could hear clicking from the starter relay, and my fuel pump operating.

This is not my video, but it is exactly what I hear:
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I have searched, but have not found anything useful. All threads have the car at least cranking to get the oil system primed.

Someone please help.

younG_Gunner

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Help?

ilike2eatricers

did you check the connections at the starter? sounds like you dont have the black connector on the starter solenoid

turboIIrotary

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and clean them up would help a little too.

younG_Gunner

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Will try that later tonight.

younG_Gunner

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I have the black spade connector on, and a fairly large gauge wire on the left nut running from the battery. The right side had another fairly large gauge wire on the right side running directly into the starter.

Still no crank.

cmanns

Thats the sound my car makes when the batt is very low, maybe your grounds arnt good somewhere?

younG_Gunner

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I question this also. I'll go back over my grounds.

cmanns

Also is your battery GOOD, like use the jumper cables to your batt and try to start the other car, if it fires up fine then its good I guess, when I jumper'd mine it clicked still, so we left the battery connected to the truck with it running for 10-15 mins, then it worked.... you could be draining the weak battery more and more

btw I'm not saying im some sort of rx7 expert lol, this is from experience and I read a post with a guy that had your problem, turned out to be some grounds if I recall that looked OK but really wernt connected great...

Not sure, doesn't hurt to check all the grounds.

cezonetheillest

just a thought do you have floor mats on the drivers side?

i ask only cause i had one that every now and again i would push the floor mat to far up towards the firewall and it would cause my clutch pedal to not fully engage. once i slid it out it worked just fine.

chrisw80

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ok heres what u need to do...

My rx7 will sometime just click as you are saying with the fuel pump running etc no crank... just try and crack it like 50 times untill it wants to crank ive owned 3 t2 rx7's they seem to wanta do this when its cold outside and or they have bin siting for a really long time. actly mine dose it quite requently.hmm if that dosent work make shure u have a sold bacttery connecting and than if thats ok go down and look at the clutch pedal and jumper the clutch start switch located on the clutch pedal its a black box. just jumper the 2 wires do a searh for it.

cmanns

^See that'd be electrical related from what I understand about electricity and weather.

HAILERS

The ground for the starter comes right off the battery and goes to the long bolt on the starter. Even if it's bolted to one of the other transmission/engine bolts that's fine.

The power for the starter comes directly from the batt to the starter solenoid.

farberio

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You wouldn't hear the clicking noises if the pedal was not engaged.

This sounds like a battery or starter issue.

whereiscarmensandiego

u have some problem with your wiring. be it ground ,positive, or somthing just go over everything. to get a car to crank u need pos go to nut on starter and ground from bat go to long bolt on starter and u need to ahve the spade connector pluged in. if u have all this then i would check my contacts and if they are good u might need a new battery some batterys dont come charged when they are new. try taking the battery from your dd and start it.

Driftin86FC

not trying to thread jack but im having the same problem and I think a picture of a correctly wired starter would help alot

younG_Gunner

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Ok. So I went and re-tightened my grounds. Still the same effect.

HAILERS

Well. Jack the car up. Out of gear. With the shank of a screwdriver, bridge the gap b /t the small blade on the solenoid and the large wire on the solenoid. Engine should turn over. Write back if it did or did not. Takes but a few minutes to do.

younG_Gunner

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Will do. Most likely not today though. STATISTICS MIDTERM TOMORROW!! HORSESHIT!!

Also. I disconnected the harness leading into the tranny. Now, I forgot to label them. Would this be causing anything also?

whereiscarmensandiego

i just got my engine back in and after about 2 hrs of cranking mine started doing that i belive i may have melted the pos starter wire u might want to make sure your wires is not coroded or melter because any little current drop and the starter wont crank it has to have the entire 12volts

younG_Gunner

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When I bridge the spade connector to the wire on the solenoid, I can hear the starting cranking over but the engine didn't budge. Could the teeth on the starter be off from the teeth of the flywheel or am I looking at this the wrong way?

younG_Gunner

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Ok. I took a break from the study session, so I tried it again. This time it actually cranked! I think I was doing it wrong the first time. Is something wrong with the clip on the spade connector or something?

HAILERS

When you bridged the small blade to the large wire on the starter, the starter spun/whirred, but the starter did not engage the flywheel and turn the engine over. IF that is what happened, then that was caused by a bad starter solenoid.

If that was a *one time event*, then I wouldn't rush out to replace the solenoid.

Then later you bridged the two terminals on the starter, and the engine turned over? Or did you use the key that time?

If the engine turns over each time you bridge the two terminals with a screwdriver shank, and I mean each and every time you bridge those two terminals it turns the engine over, then I'm inclined to think the circuit b/t the ignition switch to the small blade terminal is the problem.

Can you go get a long piece of elect wire that will reach from the batt positive terminal to the small blade on the starter solenoid? Then get a female terminal from the auto store to fit on the end of that wire so you can connect it to the starters small blade. Once you do that, then touch the other end of the wire to the positve terminal of the battery and see if the starter turns over each and every time. If that happens, then to me that proves the circuit b/t the small terminal of the starter to the ignition switch is bad.

There is a interlock switch on the clutch pedal that has to *make* when the clutch is depressed. That switch Might be bad and to prove that one way or the other you could pull the plug off that switches pigtail harness and jumper the two sockets of that plug on the harness side of the plug with a piece of wire. That would simulate the switch being depressed all the time and eliminate that switch as a problem. You'd just turn the key to Start and see what happens. IF the starter now works, then it was that clutch interlock switch. IF it does not start, then I'd suspect the ignition switch itself.

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EDIT: I just re-read the beginning of this thread. Kind of keep the info above on the back tray. It sounds more like a bad starter itself. Most likely the brushes inside the starter are at the margin of their life. SOMETIMES what you can do, is smack the starter on the side with a hammer a couple of times and then try the key again. It will start and sometimes work for a few days or so, but it's still a bad actor and needs replacement. The carbon brushes are worn to a nub and don't make good contact with the armature. Hitting the starter case jiggles them where they make better contact........for a while.

Starter brushes can be had from NAPA for about thirty bucks. It takes a little patience to install them right. A new starter is about????? $100 bucks or so??

So, like I said, smack that sucker with a hammer a couple of times and try the key. If it starts when doing that, I'd guess starter brushes gone south.

younG_Gunner

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Damn. I haven't had the chance to work on it since earlier this week and now today, I found I'm leaking gas. Took a look at the fuel rails and found the mounting holes the secondary fuel rail are cracked! Great! Figure I should fix this first before I try to start it.

Starting this car is once again on the back burner.

On a side note, thank you to everyone for all the helpful hints. And a big thanks to HAILERS for going into so much detail. I appreciate it fellas.

doduong11

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just a note bud try this first, i had the same problem i tried everything from replacing the whole starter to clutch switch to ignition switch nothing helps. So i finally try to jump it directly from the battery to the starter it self and wham it worked. So try that first like everyone else said it could save you a lot of time. And oh yeah push start button will be in place tire of this crap.


To jump it directly from the battery oh you have to do is get an electrical wire that's long enough to reach to the starter. plug it into the positive on the Bat first, then touch the other end to the starter it should crank, an i mean it should.
Note* on the starter there are two bolts and one clip in the middle. unplug that one and jump it to there.