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12-13-12, 07:44 PM
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Ok sweet, I have 750cc primary and 1200cc secondary's not in it now but have them, also i have a walbro 225 not in yet either, as far as the standalone whats a good brand or where can I find them? When and if i switch over is e85 bad for a rotary? I was thinking it isnt but i dont know lol. Also if I do this would I need to take to a tuner and have them dyno tune the car after making it standalone?
12-14-12, 12:53 PM
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It would be pretty pointless.
E85 has less power stored in it, but higher octane, so in order for it to be useful you need very high compressor and/or very high boost. neither of which you have.
it's also dryer than gasoline, so you'd probably have to premix and put more 2-stroke in than usual, not to mention, I don't know how e85 will mix with 2 stroke...
E85 has less power stored in it, but higher octane, so in order for it to be useful you need very high compressor and/or very high boost. neither of which you have.
it's also dryer than gasoline, so you'd probably have to premix and put more 2-stroke in than usual, not to mention, I don't know how e85 will mix with 2 stroke...
12-14-12, 01:46 PM
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MoTeC is a good brand.
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The rotary engine works just fine with alternate fuels. In fact, it is very flexible in this respect.
You would need a tuner, but not necessarily a dyno.
I would call it downright stupid to spend all that time and money to end up with less horsepower and worse mileage, but I assume the OP has some strange reason to want to do this.
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The rotary engine works just fine with alternate fuels. In fact, it is very flexible in this respect.
I would call it downright stupid to spend all that time and money to end up with less horsepower and worse mileage, but I assume the OP has some strange reason to want to do this.
12-14-12, 02:15 PM
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Be forewarned that typically E85 will corrode most fuel system / components that were not originally designed to handle that fuel. You may very well need to change more than just the rubber fuel line.
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12-14-12, 04:50 PM
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The reason I want to do this is because here in colorado if you run E85 you become emissions exempt for ever lol. So that way i would have to worry about putting the car back to stock just to pass emisions. I do have plans for the car, I want to run a gt35r or something of that nature, I already have full racing beat exhaust the rev2 one, and have the injectors and fuel pump, Just lacking turbo ecu and probably a few other things. But I just know all my dsm and toyota friends with e85 never have to do emissions again and now they can run rediculous set ups just for that reason
12-14-12, 04:54 PM
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The reason I want to do this is because here in colorado if you run E85 you become emissions exempt for ever lol. So that way i would have to worry about putting the car back to stock just to pass emisions. I do have plans for the car, I want to run a gt35r or something of that nature, I already have full racing beat exhaust the rev2 one, and have the injectors and fuel pump, Just lacking turbo ecu and probably a few other things. But I just know all my dsm and toyota friends with e85 never have to do emissions again and now they can run rediculous set ups just for that reason
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12-14-12, 05:26 PM
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"** Hybrid electric vehicles, such as the Toyota Prius and Honda Insight, and other alternatively powered vehicles do not currently require emissions inspections.
For further information on exemptions, call your county motor vehicle office, or the Colorado Division of Motor Vehicles' Emissions Program Office at 303-205-5603. Also see information regarding vehicles manufactured outside the U.S. and kit cars"
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12-14-12, 07:16 PM
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12-14-12, 08:54 PM
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It sounds like he wants to upgrade, and doesn't want to worry about Colorado emissions. Colorado emissions is very similar to CA, a visual inspection of the engine bay, air pump, and cat, and then a tail pipe sniff test on a dyno. The problem with Colorado is that the age necessary for classic or collector plates was set to model year '75. If you have a model year '75 year or older car, you can get collector plates and never worry about emissions again. All newer cars must get an emissions test every two years. Currently nearly every RX-7 in Colorado must get emissions every two years forever, unless the law changes (which I doubt it ever will).
I'm concerned that this is just some policy set by the DMV and not codified into law (subject to change at any time), that the OP's friend is lying or misrepresenting what he did (the word of someone's friend I don't know isn't strong evidence in my view), and that the EPA does not accept conversion since it touches emission control devices (fuel system and ECU) which has hefty fines for violators. Many states have duplicate laws, and while your risk of being caught is low when you don't have emissions, being inspected every other year is a risk.
I'm concerned that this is just some policy set by the DMV and not codified into law (subject to change at any time), that the OP's friend is lying or misrepresenting what he did (the word of someone's friend I don't know isn't strong evidence in my view), and that the EPA does not accept conversion since it touches emission control devices (fuel system and ECU) which has hefty fines for violators. Many states have duplicate laws, and while your risk of being caught is low when you don't have emissions, being inspected every other year is a risk.
12-14-12, 11:00 PM
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Well im not "stock" anymore, the only way I passed emissions here was because I drove the rx7 till it was practically empty and then put in like 2-3 gallons of e85. At that time I had my stock exhaust with a bonez cat on it and it passed with flying colors and i didnt even have the smog pump hooked up to anything lol luckly the couldnt see the hoses not connected, but regadless i passed.
I now have the racing beat rev2 exhaust and it has no cats. Also my plan is to upgrade in the near future probably will happen with my tax refund. So with running the e85 would hopefully allow me not to test for a while.
I understand you points. The "friend" is actually a friend of a friend. So I usually meet up with them once a week for some beers, ill ask him again on sunday if what he said is legit, you bring up alot of thoughts for me i appreciate that.
Basically I am just trying to figure out a way I can upgrade and never have to go back to the stock stuff just to pass emissions. I know its only one day is needed to pass, but to swap all the stuff it can be a pain in the ***.
And thank you guys for all your imput!
I now have the racing beat rev2 exhaust and it has no cats. Also my plan is to upgrade in the near future probably will happen with my tax refund. So with running the e85 would hopefully allow me not to test for a while.
It sounds like he wants to upgrade, and doesn't want to worry about Colorado emissions. Colorado emissions is very similar to CA, a visual inspection of the engine bay, air pump, and cat, and then a tail pipe sniff test on a dyno. The problem with Colorado is that the age necessary for classic or collector plates was set to model year '75. If you have a model year '75 year or older car, you can get collector plates and never worry about emissions again. All newer cars must get an emissions test every two years. Currently nearly every RX-7 in Colorado must get emissions every two years forever, unless the law changes (which I doubt it ever will).
I'm concerned that this is just some policy set by the DMV and not codified into law (subject to change at any time), that the OP's friend is lying or misrepresenting what he did (the word of someone's friend I don't know isn't strong evidence in my view), and that the EPA does not accept conversion since it touches emission control devices (fuel system and ECU) which has hefty fines for violators. Many states have duplicate laws, and while your risk of being caught is low when you don't have emissions, being inspected every other year is a risk.
I'm concerned that this is just some policy set by the DMV and not codified into law (subject to change at any time), that the OP's friend is lying or misrepresenting what he did (the word of someone's friend I don't know isn't strong evidence in my view), and that the EPA does not accept conversion since it touches emission control devices (fuel system and ECU) which has hefty fines for violators. Many states have duplicate laws, and while your risk of being caught is low when you don't have emissions, being inspected every other year is a risk.
I understand you points. The "friend" is actually a friend of a friend. So I usually meet up with them once a week for some beers, ill ask him again on sunday if what he said is legit, you bring up alot of thoughts for me i appreciate that.
Basically I am just trying to figure out a way I can upgrade and never have to go back to the stock stuff just to pass emissions. I know its only one day is needed to pass, but to swap all the stuff it can be a pain in the ***.
And thank you guys for all your imput!
12-17-12, 10:36 AM
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The most important thing to consider about E85 is that the ratio varies quite a bit over the course of the year, not to mention from pump to pump. Do not forget that below about 40F degrees, E85 is darn difficult to ignite - you need a really strong ignition system. So the "winter" blend is actually closer to E70.
I personally would not do a E85 conversion without using the the following;
GM flex fuel sensor (one of which is the same as the Haltech sensor)
true wide band O2 (not the cheaper "sort of" wide band sensor)
true four channel ignition system with either AC/Delco D585 or Mercury Marine 1A coils
an ECU that can use those input signals and ignition like a Haltech for example
plus a full fuel system that can handle E85 from a coated tank to properly sized pumps, lines, regulator & injectors
Like it was mentioned above, there is a cheap way and a right way.
I personally would not do a E85 conversion without using the the following;
GM flex fuel sensor (one of which is the same as the Haltech sensor)
true wide band O2 (not the cheaper "sort of" wide band sensor)
true four channel ignition system with either AC/Delco D585 or Mercury Marine 1A coils
an ECU that can use those input signals and ignition like a Haltech for example
plus a full fuel system that can handle E85 from a coated tank to properly sized pumps, lines, regulator & injectors
Like it was mentioned above, there is a cheap way and a right way.
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12-19-12, 06:19 AM
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ya im sure there is I havent seen my friend for a little bit he is out of town... but ill find out for sure, either way i still think it would be cool to run it, i would deffinitly do it the right way, i think it would be a must!