Chuckles

I'm with jimmyv13 - another post in the forum states that the 10AE is heavier because of all the power stuff and options on the package. Makes sense to me. I have one, and if you've ever tried to see the spark plugs you'll know what I mean about stuff!

Ice_Wolf

They made an S5 with white paint and black interior? S5's were 89-92 right? I never knew that the S5's had 15 more horsepower. I'm guessing the 15 more HP comes from the better turbo? I thought other than the turbo, S4's and S5's are the same. Maybe I will just have to get a S5 with black interior then. Did they make a black leather interior for it? Btw, could you post pics of your TII? I would like to see what it looks like! Idk how to explain it guys, but I just love the 10th AE's. Idk if it's the badges, or if it's the interior or what, but I just love those things! Maybe I would like a TII if I saw a nice white one with black interior. I guess I could always get some racing bucket seats and get some leather door panels for the TII. What's the difference between the black interior on a 10th AE and on a TII? Was it just that it had a leather option which gave you leather panels and seats? I know of the floor mats and shift **** and steering wheel, but those shift **** don't matter cause it'd get replaced, the steering wheel would prolly get replace, the floor mats just wear out, and also I'm sure racing bucket seats are better than the black leather seats in a 10th AE. Thanks again for the info guys. This is helping me out a lot to decide what to buy!

Fritz_X

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s4 vs. s5 argument is as old as the cars themselves, aside from the aesthetic side of the matter (cosmetic differences, seatbelts, personal preference related things) The cars are nearly identical in terms of performance, this is in their STOCK FORM. Why you ask if there is a real horsepower difference? Because, S5's are heavier than S4's. Aside from that it comes down to personal preference, and maybe the fact that s5's had higher compression rotors, and hardened stationary gears allowing them to rev higher.

--Fritz

Ice_Wolf

So what were the differences now between the S4 TII and the S5 TII? So far the list inlcudes:

15 more HP
Side mouldings
Tailights
S5 is heavier
S5 has higher compression
S5 has hardened stationary gears


The differences between the 10th AE and the S4 TII model is as follows:

10th AE had a black interior, which the TII could not get
Black leather interior(TII could get leather, just not black)
Headlight squirters
Crystal White paint
Rotary badges
Bronze tinted glass
AE floormats
White rims
Momo AE steering wheel
Painted tailights
Shift ****
Shift boot
Aero mirrors
Upgraded motion detecting alarm


This'll help me decide whether to go 10th AE or S5 TII. Could you get those same style rims that the 10th AE had on any other model? I know the other models came with an alarm, but I didn't think it had a motion detector. That parts list includes parts that are special to the 10th AE only and not available on the other models. I'm pretty sure that's all the differences between an S4 TII and a 10th AE too. I'm still leaning towards a AE, but the S5 TII is looking pretty good right now. Thanks for the help so far.

NZConvertible

Actually S5's had twin-scroll turbos too, they just didn't have the system that blocks off one of the scrolls.

There is nothing extra in the 10AE engine bay. Changing the spark plugs is no more difficult than changing the plugs in any other FC equipped with air-con and power steering.

J-Rat

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lol..

BEST THREAD EVER!!!

10th AE:

Crystal White paint (code UC), Color keyed trim and wheels (a first for US soil), bronze tinted glass, badging (10th AE badges), Headlamp washers, black leather trim, 3 spoke steering wheel, MOMO shifter, commemorative keys, and floor mats. Mechanically? An S4 TII.

My key is 7200.. Whats yours?

Ice_Wolf

I guess I'll be buying whatever I can find first. Mechanically, a S5 is better than a 10th AE, plus it wouldn't be too hard for me to get a black interior S5 and then find leather door panels and seats for it. The badges aren't any huge deal, and I could always repaint the car to be white. Or if I got really stupid, take a S5 and make it look like a 10th AE, minus the bronze glass. I get what you're saying about 10th AE's not being that special though. It's not like they got some super engine or turbo, all of the things are basically cosmetic, although the motion detecting alarm would be cool. Tommorrow I will be taking some pics of the "Limited Edition" FC that I saw, so you guys can see what's up with it. Thanks for the information about the cars. Time to start looking around more for a Rex.

Dan H

Why would you take an S5 and try to make it like an S4? No S5 owners are going to put on S4 bumpers, moldings, and lights.

BTW, there is no limited edition FC released in the states.

eViLRotor

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This thread is priceless. Should be a sticky : "How to make a fake AE (and almost get away with it)".

What a way to choose a car. This is better than a Sitcom. Just call me the laugh track.

Ice_Wolf

Could I get pics of what the bumpers look like on the S4 and the bumpers on the S5? Also, could I get pics of the mouldings? And by lights do you mean tailights? Could I get pictures of those too? Maybe it won't be a good idea to try and make a fake S5 because the things would be a dead giveaway.

Differences between S4 TII and S5 TII:

15 more HP
Side mouldings
Tailights
S5 is heavier
S5 has higher compression
S5 has hardened stationary gears


The differences between the 10th AE and the S4 TII model is as follows:

10th AE had a black interior, which the TII could not get
Black leather interior(TII could get leather, just not black)
Headlight squirters
Crystal White paint
Rotary badges
Bronze tinted glass
AE floormats
White rims
Momo AE steering wheel
Painted tailights
Shift ****
Shift boot
Aero mirrors
Upgraded motion detecting alarm

Ice_Wolf

Could I get pics of what the bumpers look like on the S4 and the bumpers on the S5? Also, could I get pics of the mouldings? And by lights do you mean tailights? Could I get pictures of those too? Maybe it won't be a good idea to try and make a fake S5 because the things would be a dead giveaway.

Differences between S4 TII and S5 TII:

Front bumper
Rear bumper
Taillights
Side mouldings
15 more HP
Side mouldings
Tailights
S5 is heavier
S5 has higher compression
S5 has hardened stationary gears


The differences between the 10th AE and the S4 TII model is as follows:

10th AE had a black interior, which the TII could not get
Black leather interior(TII could get leather, just not black)
Headlight squirters
Crystal White paint
Rotary badges
Bronze tinted glass
AE floormats
White rims
Momo AE steering wheel
Painted tailights
Shift ****
Shift boot
Aero mirrors
Upgraded motion detecting alarm

gxlbiscuit

well its not even two cents here is a penny....... where i live there is this idiot who is taking an AE and trying to turn it into a S5... i want to beat this guy senseless.. but thats just my opinion. he wants to be like initial D......intial dumba$$ .... i think it should be illegal to tamper with an AE unless its been wrecked, burnt, or maybe no engine..... other wise if its a perfect working car like this guy's.. LEAVE IT ALONE.

Ice_Wolf

I agree though, a 10th AE should not be messed with. There's enough of them getting crashed or blown up, and there's not many of them left that are in great condition. I was looking at pictures of bumpers and tail lights, and I noticed that the S4 lights are rectangles, whereas the S5 lights are round. Now when I looked at bumpers, I noticed there's many different styles of bumpers. Does anyone have pics of the different bumpers that were on the FC's? I swear that I found at least 4 or so different ones and I have no idea how many there are. Thanks!

eViLRotor

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https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/specifications-what-did-2nd-generation-rx-7-come-w-options-standard-features-249616/

Dan H

There are 5 different rear bumpers out there and 6 different front bumpers. Also, the S5 had pretty light engine rotors, but the 10th AE had a rare set of titanium alloy rotors. They don't make it anymore so you to convert your car to a 10th AE, you need to have someone machine you a set of titanium alloy engine rotors which can cost a lot. Even though the S5 weighs more and has more HP, its mainly because its a 13B "3 rotor" engine. Thats why its easy to mix it up with the S4 13B "2 rotor" engines. The 3 rotor engine lets it rev up to 8K rpm's while the S4 2 rotor engines only manage 7K.


The answers are all out there. Just do a SEARCH.

Ice_Wolf

Hmmm....so what you're saying is that the 10th AE has better rotors in it because they are titanium. I think I'm starting to like the S5 more than the 10th AE, just because the engine has more go to it plus, it's easier to find them. I took a look at a few of the bumpers and kits, and it seems the 89-91 had the best kit for it that had the side skirts. Well, looks like I'm gonna keep looking for a rebuilt S5 instead of possibly getting a blown one. That was the main reason I asked about engine swaps. Maybe I'll get lucky and find a 10th AE even!

eViLRotor

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Great summary Dan. Should help out all the nubs not wanting to search. Probably everything they need to know about rotary engines in that paragraph

Flobb

i vote to ban you for being a ******* DAN.

NSXchink

lol
and i thought my thread died already
anyways, here's the condition when I got my car. The car had a cheap repaint job, so it was chipping and I will be painting it color code UC which i hope you know what color that is
the motor was becoming very weak, so I had to do alot of reliability mods, or else it would of been to hard to maintain a pure stock FC
and the outside, i guess im different from everyone else, and i guess im not a 10AE purist?
Damn you all would probably be even more mad if i put a URAS body kit on there or something.
When im done with it, it will have a whole new paintjob, fully built 3mm engine, and aftermarket exterior parts
i know making a FC like the car in initial D is TYPICAL, but no one has really done it right in the states.. buying the correct aftermarket parts..
i dont see why it would be such a problem modifying a 10AE if mine had 10000 miles on it i would leave it ALONE, and probably sell it already.. but it has 178k buddy, and im probably going to use those headlight washers to spray directly on my front mount
so, if you got a problem with this, then you must have a big problem with the guy here who has a 10AE with a cosmo motor cause that not 10AE to you, isn't it?

Dan H

Yeah, sorry for being an ***. Its just a joke. 99% of the questions he asked could be found from searching.

DocMazda

i agree. i am a very devout search button user. granted i only have a hundred or so posts, but that is because when damn near every topic has been covered and solved. Plus with the fsm and haynes manuals, you dont need to post nearly as often about question all ready resolved. at least that is just what i have noticed recently. I mean, when youre thinking about purchasing a car, thats what you should be doing, researching as much as you can. asking basic questions when they are just that, basic! That just gets annoying to everybody. yes, its not like i havent been there, but again, when a problem with my car arises, or there is a question, i do a search. why? because chances are, it has been done before. I am not ranting, i am just stating that coming from a noob (such as myself) i can understand why Dan H is so jaded with the flood of noob questions. but, i think it is because the world has made us more spoiled than previous generations, and we dont really need to think to survive. we just need to go about our duldrom ways just to make it through. Sounds rather boring to me. if you really care, get a grip, do some research, and do some thing to improve yourself and get some search experience with your car. ESPECIALLY with Q's and A's. it helps in the long run, trust me! its helped me quite a bit so far! new posts on an old thread are usually better than starting a new thread on an old topic. Just try to do a search next time

NSXchink

thats right gxlbiscuit
make sure you read my post on bottom of page 3

choritsu-shi

Good read! Over the years I'm am reminded of things that I often forget and I honestly felt my FC3S experience and knowledge was quite extensive. I can confirm the S4 and S5 turbocharger differences...the turbocharger systems do operate differently and manifold and turbine housing are physically different... although, while in desperation to get my S5 back up and running, I took apart and joyfully discoverd the innards from an S4 turbocharger are virtually the same.(center housing, turbine wheel/shaft and compressor wheel)
but...
I never knew the AE came with headlight washers. How interesting... I thought the earlier SA22C's offered headlight washers, but just in the European market... never dawned on me, but did the European FC3S have that option?

I also didn't realize that the S4's did not have black interiors either... or is it specifically black [b]leather[b] interiors?

Sensei

NSXchink

so gxlbiscuit
look at this page
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/649835
this guy slapped a jdm GPsports body kit on his 10AE, i think it looks nice, still wearing the monochromatic paint, and has the rotor fender badge
i'am still keeping it stock, but the new updated model

another example
yes i do own a 10AE and i love it, its different
i guess i will be making it more different
only 1500 10AE were made

and the same amount of 15 anniversary MKIV Toyota Supras were made
you dont see know 15 anni supra all stock
i've seen the rarest of the rarest supras with the colors Royal Sapphire Pearl and Quick Silver
modified with single turbo and a aftermarket body kit
and you rarely see them on ebay at ALL

you can find a 10AE on ebay most of the time or on autotrader

get my point?

NSXchink

also gxlbiscuit
check this out
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/581226/2

this guy put a s5 bumper on his 10AE
plus he had to use it to fit his FMIC

u wouldn't want me cutting a 10AE front bumper would you?
now you feel like a dumb ***?

ok then