2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

detonation last night!!??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:10 AM
  #1  
rex7tuner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio TX
TX detonation last night!!??

so last night long story short i was gonna give bro a ride from his friends house...so i'm turning out from my neighborhood and caught the light, i barely did iand wen i take that sharp turn i usually jst slide the tail a little bit jst to have fun and feel it. well it had no traction threw 1st gear so i shifted into second, 'boosting like 8' and wen it gripped into second, the car suddenly shuts off OUT OF THE BLUE!! its never happened before so i was confused and i know my car verry well..looked under the hood and apparently the AFM plug came off the AFM while i was boosting...it happened last night and i was thinking that while in boost and the AFM comes unplugged it would LEAN the HELL outa my car cause detonation.. huh? after that it ran like the whole engine was unbalanced and no power wut so ever..i'm more then sure the motor blew but my question is...was the cause-'the AFM unplugging while in boost'? cause that sounds reasonable..thanks guys.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:18 AM
  #2  
1nastyturboII's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 198
Likes: 0
From: NYC
ur afm might be no good, my car ran like **** one night after the track, i thought 4 sure my motor was shot, it turned out to be the afm...after that Haltech & i became best friends
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:49 AM
  #3  
J-Rat's Avatar
Alcohol Fueled!
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 11,093
Likes: 2
From: Hood River oregon
I would be reasonably certain that if the AFM came unplugged it just shut down the fuel pump.,.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:53 AM
  #4  
rex7tuner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio TX
Originally Posted by J-Rat
I would be reasonably certain that if the AFM came unplugged it just shut down the fuel pump.,.
thanks for yalls input guys!
yeah thats wut i was thinking, but if the fuel pump goes off Automatically in boost, it wouldnt blow the motor? i was thinking that would make it run lean to the MAX until it turned off...:/
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:55 AM
  #5  
rex7tuner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio TX
Originally Posted by 1nastyturboII
ur afm might be no good, my car ran like **** one night after the track, i thought 4 sure my motor was shot, it turned out to be the afm...after that Haltech & i became best friends
haha yeah! haltech is wonders! wayyy outa my price ranger for now though! :/
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 10:24 AM
  #6  
rex7tuner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio TX
front rotor is blown guys..have no idea why..the only thing i noticed was wen i boosted and got out the car on the side of the rode, i saw the AFM plug un-hooked..idk if that has anything to do with it blowing but thats why it wasnt staying on..wen i plugged it in, it barely ran and idled..but as i said, as if i had no counter weight on the dam engine..
'unbalanced' shaky as ****. :/ thanks guys for the feedback though.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 10:32 AM
  #7  
Aaron Cake's Avatar
Engine, Not Motor
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 29,798
Likes: 128
From: London, Ontario, Canada
No idea why?! If the AFM unplugged itself under boost, the fuel pump shuts off and injector duty drops to some very low level and then to zero.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 11:00 AM
  #8  
rex7tuner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio TX
Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
No idea why?! If the AFM unplugged itself under boost, the fuel pump shuts off and injector duty drops to some very low level and then to zero.
so then my 'thoughts' when i saw the AFM unplugged was right huh!?
thanks aaron for clearing it up. thats wut i was thinking! :/
suks...thanks guys..
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 04:54 PM
  #9  
ericgrau's Avatar
Clean.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,521
Likes: 3
From: Huntington Beach, CA
Originally Posted by rex7tuner
thanks for yalls input guys!
yeah thats wut i was thinking, but if the fuel pump goes off Automatically in boost, it wouldnt blow the motor? i was thinking that would make it run lean to the MAX until it turned off...:/
Ya, a little lean is dangerous, but no fuel at all = no boom. If it is blown then it should fail a compression test. If it's just not running then it could be the AFM or anything.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 05:13 PM
  #10  
RotaryRocket88's Avatar
Top Down, Boost Up
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,718
Likes: 6
From: San Diego, CA
The stock fuel cut setup completely switches the rear injectors off under boost, but it shouldn't lead to blown engines. No fuel at all means no combustion. I take it a compression test was done to decide the front rotor blew? What were the numbers?
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 06:36 PM
  #11  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,205
Likes: 461
From: cold
The stock fuel cut setup completely switches the rear injectors off under boost, but it shouldn't lead to blown engines.
ahh but an unplugged AFM is not the same as overboost fuel cut. It will disengage the circuit opening relay, resulting in a disengaged fuel pump and a loss of fuel pressure. That will lead to a lean condition while the engine is still running. It's not a sudden and hard cut. And who knows what happened to the ignition timing when that plug came off.

Next time... install the plug retaining clip.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 07:21 PM
  #12  
RotaryRocket88's Avatar
Top Down, Boost Up
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,718
Likes: 6
From: San Diego, CA
True enough. The injectors could still fire momentarily with dramatically lowered fuel pressure.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2009 | 11:44 PM
  #13  
rex7tuner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio TX
Originally Posted by arghx
ahh but an unplugged AFM is not the same as overboost fuel cut. It will disengage the circuit opening relay, resulting in a disengaged fuel pump and a loss of fuel pressure. That will lead to a lean condition while the engine is still running. It's not a sudden and hard cut. And who knows what happened to the ignition timing when that plug came off.

Next time... install the plug retaining clip.
yeah.thanks for the input guys..
i new i should have found another dam clip! :/
Reply
Old Nov 1, 2009 | 10:44 AM
  #14  
Aaron Cake's Avatar
Engine, Not Motor
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 29,798
Likes: 128
From: London, Ontario, Canada
An unplugged AFM plug is going to be intermittent moments before it unplugs, so you can expect lean/rich spots and not just a nice clean fuel cut.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Aramir
New Member RX-7 Technical
24
Oct 18, 2015 02:39 AM
Smokeyfb33
Old School and Other Rotary
10
Oct 1, 2015 12:10 PM
Jmpabon93
New Member RX-7 Technical
1
Sep 30, 2015 04:57 PM
TrboMike
NE RX-7 Forum
4
Sep 28, 2015 09:40 PM
izzolaw
1st Gen General Discussion
2
Sep 27, 2015 08:33 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:11 PM.