D@mnit, ithink i superglued my apex seals to the rotor housings....
08-18-02, 10:41 PM
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It Can happen. You need to alighn the Eshaft at 12 oclock when you drop the housing down .. with one apex seal pointing at 6 oclock. try to drop a rotor on a housing with the apex and Eshaft pinted at 12.... it wont work, and when you spin it it will be out of line .. it should be obvious. But if you have it on the bleeding edge and do not test the spin, it can come in contact with the housing..
08-18-02, 10:43 PM
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It wont spin either way. It isnt hitting anything, It will not move AT ALL either way. Therefore, the side seals are superglued to the side housings. some acetone will fix that tomorrow.
08-18-02, 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by Rpeck
It Can happen. You need to alighn the Eshaft at 12 oclock when you drop the housing down .. with one apex seal pointing at 6 oclock. try to drop a rotor on a housing with the apex and Eshaft pinted at 12.... it wont work, and when you spin it it will be out of line .. it should be obvious. But if you have it on the bleeding edge and do not test the spin, it can come in contact with the housing..
It Can happen. You need to alighn the Eshaft at 12 oclock when you drop the housing down .. with one apex seal pointing at 6 oclock. try to drop a rotor on a housing with the apex and Eshaft pinted at 12.... it wont work, and when you spin it it will be out of line .. it should be obvious. But if you have it on the bleeding edge and do not test the spin, it can come in contact with the housing..
The rotor housings go on before the rotors. There is NOT enough clearance for what you described with the bottom plate, rear rotor and housing, center housingm and front rotor housing in. We spun the rotor then, and it was fine. Then I lined up the front rotor, and the front plate went on PERFECTLY. In that scenerio, there is NO way there is enough clearance for what you described to happen, period.
08-18-02, 10:56 PM
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I was meerly making a sugestion, not saying thats what happened. I don't doubt you can rebuild a engine .. but IF you go by the book it clearly states to drop the rotor down before the housing... I would assume that if the front rotor was misaligned that the back rotor would prolly not fit. It makes sense... But I have never misalighed a front rotor to test this theroy.
Don't be such a *** when someone is meerly makining sugestions on what could be going wrong. Its not very becoming.
Don't be such a *** when someone is meerly makining sugestions on what could be going wrong. Its not very becoming.
08-18-02, 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by Rpeck
P.S. I have neaver read anywhere in rebuilding rotaries 101 to use fukin super glue. So at this point I do question if you can rebuild a engine.
P.S. I have neaver read anywhere in rebuilding rotaries 101 to use fukin super glue. So at this point I do question if you can rebuild a engine.
Youre right, its not in the rebuilding 101 book. Its in the 202 book
. Ask anyone who regularly rebuilts motors if they use superglue. 90% of them will say yes.
08-18-02, 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by SonicRaT
Perhaps the rotor itself is what's preventing it from moving, since I know that with no apex seals in place the rotor will catch on the housing and not turn any further.
Perhaps the rotor itself is what's preventing it from moving, since I know that with no apex seals in place the rotor will catch on the housing and not turn any further.
08-18-02, 11:03 PM
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yeah and it said Nowhere ANYTHING about a combustion engine that had two triangles that spun in a circle, when Felix Wankel started smoking crack, sometimes people jsut have better ideas than whats in a book.....
he does know how, and i dont think he wants to becoming on any of you....
Justin
he does know how, and i dont think he wants to becoming on any of you....
Justin
08-18-02, 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by RX-7Impreza
sonicrat,
have you ever tried putting a 3 piece seal in AFTER putting it in the housing??? that is NOT a hell of a lot easier.
oh and little bits of superglue would hardly hurt the housings, and it wont stick the seals open like carbon, because it burns...
Justin
sonicrat,
have you ever tried putting a 3 piece seal in AFTER putting it in the housing??? that is NOT a hell of a lot easier.
oh and little bits of superglue would hardly hurt the housings, and it wont stick the seals open like carbon, because it burns...
Justin
08-18-02, 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
The stationary gear and rotor gear prevent the rotor from contacting the rotor housing. The apex seals have NOTHING to do with it.
The stationary gear and rotor gear prevent the rotor from contacting the rotor housing. The apex seals have NOTHING to do with it.
08-18-02, 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
The stationary gear and rotor gear prevent the rotor from contacting the rotor housing. The apex seals have NOTHING to do with it.
The stationary gear and rotor gear prevent the rotor from contacting the rotor housing. The apex seals have NOTHING to do with it.
Hw many times did I say this already? But thanks for putting it again, peejay, maybe he will see it this time.
rpeck, go do some more research before you really start to embarass yourself.
08-18-02, 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by SonicRaT
Why yes, actually I have, on three different occasions. What the hell type of superglue did you get? Even if it was on the side seals and not the apex seals (though, not sure why you would need to superglue the side seals) I don't see how it could hold that much, but good luck regardless.
Why yes, actually I have, on three different occasions. What the hell type of superglue did you get? Even if it was on the side seals and not the apex seals (though, not sure why you would need to superglue the side seals) I don't see how it could hold that much, but good luck regardless.
the shear strength of super glue is incredible!!!
thanks
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08-18-02, 11:11 PM
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Well, I did my spinning without the engine put together so I was just trying any last-ditch idea I could think of 
But anyway, i found it easier to do it when it was in the housing than outside, never seemed to have enough hands to hold them all in place while trying to put it in place, to hold the side seals in I used vaseline as rpeck mentioned. This definatly should be archived
But anyway, i found it easier to do it when it was in the housing than outside, never seemed to have enough hands to hold them all in place while trying to put it in place, to hold the side seals in I used vaseline as rpeck mentioned. This definatly should be archived
08-18-02, 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by mazdaspeed7
Hw many times did I say this already? But thanks for putting it again, peejay, maybe he will see it this time.
rpeck, go do some more research before you really start to embarass yourself.
Hw many times did I say this already? But thanks for putting it again, peejay, maybe he will see it this time.
rpeck, go do some more research before you really start to embarass yourself.
I'll admit I've only ever done one, I tried it both ways, and I found it MUCH MUCH EASIER to put the rotor housing on first, then rubberband the apex seals to the rotor and drop the rotor in while an assistant cut the rubberband for me.
Also i tried superglue but it didn't hold, I ended up just putting the corner pieces "in place", kinda stuffing them down, and then quickly putting the next housing down on over it before they had a chance to fly out. That actually worked easily.
Also, my engine would not turn at all either. I'd forgotten to pour a bunch of oil in there while I was assembling. I sprayed a ton of PB Blaster into the assembled engine (intake, exhaust, and spark plug holes) and it turned nicely after that, six strong compression puffs...
08-18-02, 11:12 PM
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My proof is in the pudding I have a self rebuilt engine that works properly ... and I must say I did not a use a drop of superglue. They tell you to allign the front rotor a certain way for a reason. But when i think about it.. the rear rotor would not go in properly (thus the engine would not go back together) if it was not properly aligned. Like I said before I do it right the first time so, I have not idea what may happen if its not done right.
08-18-02, 11:17 PM
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Another thing to consider is; the side seals have springs for a reason .. they are intended to move up N down as needed. If they are glued in place its likely they will not seal right .. unless that glue melts very easily ... then I guess it should be okay.
08-18-02, 11:17 PM
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Well, I had the housing in place and the rotor inside the housing when I did it, so perhaps this is why it was easier for me, as peejay's way seems quite difficult. I've done 3 so far, never had a problem with getting the seals in place. And sorry if I didn't see your post mazdaspeed.
08-18-02, 11:20 PM
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Im done replying here. I know whats wrong, and I know how to fix it. It was assembled correctly, but the glue justin got sucks. Every person who Ive talked to that regularly rebuilds motors uses superglue. And chances are a few of you have engines in your car right now that were rebuilt with superglue. And Justin should have known better than to post this.
Sonicrat, that wasnt directed at you. It was directed at rpeck.
Sonicrat, that wasnt directed at you. It was directed at rpeck.
