D@mnit, ithink i superglued my apex seals to the rotor housings....
08-18-02, 09:34 PM
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D@mnit, ithink i superglued my apex seals to the rotor housings....
well we got my engine together today and as we put the flywheel on wel noticed that we couldnt turn it... we used superglue to hold the apex seals in place while we put the rotors in and i think it stuck to the housings.
the eccentric shaft isnt stuck so it has to be the seals sticking... any ideas on getting it off???? we put a little acetone in their but that didnt work.... anything else it could be. we have yet to try a STRONG impact wrench...
Justin
the eccentric shaft isnt stuck so it has to be the seals sticking... any ideas on getting it off???? we put a little acetone in their but that didnt work.... anything else it could be. we have yet to try a STRONG impact wrench...
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08-18-02, 09:38 PM
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I am just curious, but you mean that you used superglue to stick the corner piece to the top piece of the 3 piece apex seal right? Not that you actually glued it to the housings or the rotors right?
08-18-02, 09:46 PM
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well we tried gluing them together but they wouldnt line up. so we put them in and glued the very top down to the rotors, I think the glue wasnt dry when we put it in the housing and it stuck to the walls.
but if you are thinking about flaming me dont, it wasnt my idea it was the work of my compatriot adam
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but if you are thinking about flaming me dont, it wasnt my idea it was the work of my compatriot adam
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08-18-02, 09:53 PM
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well itis dam near impossible to get an apex seal in w/out superglue so we had to do something. i know that if i can get it free from the housings, the glue will melt or break, but i have to be able to turn it.
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08-18-02, 09:54 PM
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Ouch ... use vasaline to hold **** in place... and use a rubberband around the rotor to hold the apex's in untill you drop the rotor in the housing ..
Start Over
Nail polish remover works well on super glue.
Start Over
Nail polish remover works well on super glue.
08-18-02, 09:56 PM
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If you have so much clearance that vasaline won't hold stuff in place then you are way past specs and you need new rotors anyways. You are using new seal correct? or are you reusing old ones?
08-18-02, 09:57 PM
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ok...... I DONT have to start over, despite how it sounds, super glue it NOT that big of a deal, i was hoping for some suggestions on how to break it free. i think we are gonna try to use a neighbors impact wrench and if that doesnt work, we'll use the starter. if that doesnt work well roll it in the car and release the clutch..
any other suggestions
any other suggestions
08-18-02, 10:05 PM
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Of course its entirley up to you but.... its alot easier to crack it back open now & do it right. If you get the whole engine back in the car and your apex's don't release out to the housings your going to want to shoot someone. I just can't imagine the possible side affects of having super glue in your rotor housings... what if it does break free.. you have chunks of hard plastic glue spiining in your housings.
08-18-02, 10:08 PM
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Gobs of Vasaline works wonders.. pile it on as thick as you need too. I melts away in miliseconds once the car is started with no ill affects. Just change your oil in the first couple hundred miles to get all of it out of circulation
08-18-02, 10:12 PM
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Why didn't you put them in once the rotor was in the housing? It makes it a hell of a lot easier, and just use your flywheel bolt with whatever you used to remove it and try to spin it with that, if that can't get it to spin, it's definatly not the super-glue that's holding it.
08-18-02, 10:27 PM
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sonicrat,
have you ever tried putting a 3 piece seal in AFTER putting it in the housing??? that is NOT a hell of a lot easier.
oh and little bits of superglue would hardly hurt the housings, and it wont stick the seals open like carbon, because it burns...
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have you ever tried putting a 3 piece seal in AFTER putting it in the housing??? that is NOT a hell of a lot easier.
oh and little bits of superglue would hardly hurt the housings, and it wont stick the seals open like carbon, because it burns...
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08-18-02, 10:28 PM
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How have you got the engine mounted? its in a position that the both ends can move freely right? You don't have anything in the exaust ports to stop **** from falling in there do you?
Sit the engine on a towel or carbboard on the flywheel .. and try to tuen the block with the flywheel on the ground. It should turn easy that way.. if it doesnt.. don't force it, there is a major problem.
Sit the engine on a towel or carbboard on the flywheel .. and try to tuen the block with the flywheel on the ground. It should turn easy that way.. if it doesnt.. don't force it, there is a major problem.
08-18-02, 10:30 PM
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A number of things, were your apex seals compressed completely when you glued them? Perhaps the rotor itself is what's preventing it from moving, since I know that with no apex seals in place the rotor will catch on the housing and not turn any further. That or your thrust bearings are being crushed if you happened to put them in incorrectly. Best bet is to take it back apart and look.
08-18-02, 10:33 PM
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Also .. when you were putting it back together, you did a practice spin on the rotors with the Eshaft in place right? That is a MUST .. so you make sure the rotors are not going past the oil/water gasket I.E where the housings will be. If the rotors are out of line they will not rotate properly without hitting the rotor walls while in rotation .. thats very bad news
08-18-02, 10:36 PM
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Its not the apex seals!!!!!!!! Its the side seals. apparantly the superglue from the side seals touched the side/middle housings, and stuck. Justin got the glue that stays liquid until contact. So even after 30 min, the glue was still wet on the top. Ill have it free timorrow with some acetone.
08-18-02, 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Rpeck
Also .. when you were putting it back together, you did a practice spin on the rotors with the Eshaft in place right? That is a MUST .. so you make sure the rotors are not going past the oil/water gasket I.E where the housings will be. If the rotors are out of line they will not rotate properly without hitting the rotor walls while in rotation .. thats very bad news
Also .. when you were putting it back together, you did a practice spin on the rotors with the Eshaft in place right? That is a MUST .. so you make sure the rotors are not going past the oil/water gasket I.E where the housings will be. If the rotors are out of line they will not rotate properly without hitting the rotor walls while in rotation .. thats very bad news
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one thing you can try to see if the rotor alighnment is fugged up .. is try spiining it the oposite way.. it it starts to go one way .. then you go back the right way and it gets stuck again.. the rotors are outside of the alighnment setup.