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They told me Red Loctite...the only caveat was you needed to let them cure overnight because if you put them in the engine too soon the Loctite liquifies and makes them stick open or closed. I tried to find some info on Green Loctite or even where to get it...didn't find too much. Any info on Green Loctite and temperature ranges would be spiffy. I don't want to knock PR, but I think it's somewhat weak to send a product out with ZERO written instructions. I was lucky to get some verbal instruction, but only because I asked...which was because of this thread. Thanks again Kevin! I take back my Titanic comments. *grin* Do you miss your GTUs? Kevin 1989 GTUs "Once bitten...always smitten." |
I take back my Titanic comments. *grin* Ahh, those were the days. I remember when the worst thing an rx-7 enthusiast had to worry about was getting some rusty brake rotors in the mail. Nowadays you have these damned sleeve inserts going around, you have to worry about them falling into your motor and stuff... :rofl: Do you miss your GTUs? |
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Originally posted by RarestRX I tried to find some info on Green Loctite or even where to get it...didn't find too much. Any info on Green Loctite and temperature ranges would be spiffy. *edit BTW: The technical specs of Green are: Green (270 series) is designed for the permanent locking and sealing of threaded fasteners. The product cures when confined with the absence of air between close fitting metal surfaces and prevent loosening from shock and vibration. Typical applications include the locking and sealing of large bolts and studs (M25 and larger). Operating temp: -54C to 150C Disassembly melt point: 232F Cure min: 24 hours most materials Solvent resistance (at 22C) in percentage @5000 hrs exposure: Motor oil: 75% Leaded Petrol: 100 Brake fluid: 100% water gycol: 85% Acetone: 95% Ethanol: 95% Note: use with an inactive metal will require a primer (Primer M) to achive max strength Inactive metals: Stainless Steel Nickel Cadmium Pure Aluminum Bright Platings Anodized surfaces. 100% strength is available without a primer on active metals. Active metals: Steel Copper Brass Mangaese Bronze Titainum Aluminum alloy. |
Originally posted by mwpayne I think this is relevant to the topic. http://www.rotaryaviation.com/engine_failure.htm |
Thanks for the information... thats friggin scary :eek:
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BUMP...
Seems lightning has struck twice... "...only ran for about 5 minutes before the motor blew." "The only thing that is in the sig that you won't get from the car is the pineapple sleeves, cause they malfunctioned and shot into the fucking motor." THe rest of the story: http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=18439 |
I guess we know now why Mazda didn't install them
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christ!
I am never getting htem now. I was starting to warm up to them again but crap. I hope Pineapple does something about this. :( |
Originally posted by hypntyz7 Yeah, no shit. Sometimes I think he'd suck Rob's dick if he had the chance, the way he talks... I knew once I posted this that at some point banzai would be in here fighting a battle for PR, even though there is none to be fought. Yeah, ok, whatever. :jerkit: I didnt post this here to listen to criticism of my abilities, so let it go. I suppose you're just the king mechanic of the southeast, which is why I hear so much about your work :rolleyes: I suppose you've never made a mistake, never had an idea that didnt work, and never had to take something back apart because you forgot a small detail, huh. Yeah, sure thing. What the fuck??? Yeah, let me run out to the corner bookstore and pick that up... :rolleyes: Bottom line, if you're just here to poke and prod, gloat, say "I told you so" or ay other such BS, well, I dont need or want to hear it. It's funny how Im sure the question has been asked before, but until now I have never seen you post regarding installation, nor was I aware you were an expert in the field. But, by hell I guess you are now. http://members.aol.com/gotdatfiyah/ownedbirdboy.jpg |
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Well, looks like my inserts will be TIG welded in, as well as the actuator rod at the end. We don't play at Team GTUs!! *grin* Thanks Dana! Kevin 1989 GTUs "That should keep them in place." |
I hate it when isolated events scare you...now I'm scared to put them into my car and the other 2 I'm working on :(. But damn I want them sooo bad...:confused:
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Concept is great, application sucks! I still say the solution is milling 1 piece units.
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How about countersunk machine screws applied from the end of the sleeves? There would be no way for them to back out unless they pushed the insert, sleeve, and rod actuator the length of the screw. There would be no fastening pin to work loose and get stuck or ingested in / through the port opening.
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I just installed these and PR said on the phone, use loctite. I used the "Grey" loctite used for bonding metal. It works great. I also removed the pins from the end of my sleeves completely and locked them open. If you put these inserts into your sleeves WITHOUT any loctite... well maybe it's your fault?
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Originally posted by f1blueRx7 I just installed these and PR said on the phone, use loctite. I used the "Grey" loctite used for bonding metal. It works great. I also removed the pins from the end of my sleeves completely and locked them open. If you put these inserts into your sleeves WITHOUT any loctite... well maybe it's your fault? If it helps any... My sleeves have the pins removed and are loctited open. (this is not a street car). I'll post any updates on how the sleeves faired. -Mike |
I think some of you are still missing the point.
The point isnt that it is a bad concept. The point isnt that it is a bad product. The point isnt that it is a bad fit. The point isnt that some of us have ideas that could avoid failure. The point isnt which ideas are better. THE POINT IS THAT OTHER THAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIFICALLY ASKED PR, NO INSTRUCTIONS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY OUT WITH THESE ITEMS. I guarantee you I can go to the website right now and find no more mention of loctite or any other securing mechanism than I did 3 months ago. I bet I can call PR tomorrow and order a set of inserts, and if I dont ask (should I have to ask??), they wont say anything about "you do know that you have to...with these sleeves or you may have fitment problems...". I bet when they arrive at my place I will open a box and find some cushioning and 2 aluminum inserts only with not a single letter of instruction. Think of it as some major company releasing some killer piece of computer hardware at a great price, and not including the software necessary for it. People are going to be saying :wtf: and though a few of them may figure out a way to use the hardware, and a few others get lucky enough that it works for them, many or most people wouldnt be able to make it work right, and have all sorts of problems. IS that the fault of the user, or the supplier? |
Originally posted by hypntyz7 I think some of you are still missing the point. The point isnt that it is a bad concept. The point isnt that it is a bad product. The point isnt that it is a bad fit. The point isnt that some of us have ideas that could avoid failure. The point isnt which ideas are better. THE POINT IS THAT OTHER THAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIFICALLY ASKED PR, NO INSTRUCTIONS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY OUT WITH THESE ITEMS. I guarantee you I can go to the website right now and find no more mention of loctite or any other securing mechanism than I did 3 months ago. I bet I can call PR tomorrow and order a set of inserts, and if I dont ask (should I have to ask??), they wont say anything about "you do know that you have to...with these sleeves or you may have fitment problems...". I bet when they arrive at my place I will open a box and find some cushioning and 2 aluminum inserts only with not a single letter of instruction. Think of it as some major company releasing some killer piece of computer hardware at a great price, and not including the software necessary for it. People are going to be saying :wtf: and though a few of them may figure out a way to use the hardware, and a few others get lucky enough that it works for them, many or most people wouldnt be able to make it work right, and have all sorts of problems. IS that the fault of the user, or the supplier? |
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Yep, what they said. I think it's cool that PR is making these inserts that actually do what they say, make more HP for a good price. But, they need to supply some kind of instructions so they don't rattle down to the actuator rod and do this: http://www.rotaryaviation.com/images...ort-sleave.jpg Then have the rod get ingested into the motor: http://www.rotaryaviation.com/images...nchedrotor.jpg My buddy Dana just got the inserts I sent him and left me a message on my answering machine with the sounds of the inserts rattling around in the sleeves. *Klickitty* *Klakitty* He going to his machinist and we're going to TIG weld the inserts and rod pins into place. Overkill probably, but cheap insurance against motor death. Kevin 1989 GTUs "It's all about the overkill." |
I ended up brazing mine in place.
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Originally posted by hypntyz7 I think some of you are still missing the point. The point isnt that it is a bad concept. The point isnt that it is a bad product. The point isnt that it is a bad fit. The point isnt that some of us have ideas that could avoid failure. The point isnt which ideas are better. THE POINT IS THAT OTHER THAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPECIFICALLY ASKED PR, NO INSTRUCTIONS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY OUT WITH THESE ITEMS. I guarantee you I can go to the website right now and find no more mention of loctite or any other securing mechanism than I did 3 months ago. I bet I can call PR tomorrow and order a set of inserts, and if I dont ask (should I have to ask??), they wont say anything about "you do know that you have to...with these sleeves or you may have fitment problems...". I bet when they arrive at my place I will open a box and find some cushioning and 2 aluminum inserts only with not a single letter of instruction. Think of it as some major company releasing some killer piece of computer hardware at a great price, and not including the software necessary for it. People are going to be saying :wtf: and though a few of them may figure out a way to use the hardware, and a few others get lucky enough that it works for them, many or most people wouldnt be able to make it work right, and have all sorts of problems. IS that the fault of the user, or the supplier? I do agree that they should include information on their website, as well as in the packageing -Mike |
I was told *WITHOUT ASKING* that i need to rough up the surface and apply loctite in order to hold them in place. |
just lost an engine due to this, i have not been aware of this, i wonder what can be doen about this.
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Well, that sucks. I was hoping to avoid this problem by posting the info here.
Maybe now these people will take it seriously. |
I still think they are a great idea.... With a little modification can be used safely.
Some suggestions (i know PR should be giving these directions *especially since corksport is selling them now as well*) --Remove the dowels and loctite the sleeves in/open. --Weld the inserts into the sleeves (RarestRx idea) --I used grey metal bonding loctite and I've been going for about 2-3k miles without issues I also scratched up the surface Perhaps we can forward these to PR for more testing / documentation that should be shipped with the sleeves. |
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