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hypntyz7 06-05-03 12:31 PM

Jb weld becomes brittle at high temperatures, I would trust that less than I would the insert itself. You dont remember what happened to the original JB weld sleeve guy's motor?

Psychoblue23 06-05-03 01:23 PM

noob question... What are sleeves and wha are there purpose?

- James

hypntyz7 06-05-03 01:32 PM

Go search the archives for information on 6 ports or sleeves, or do a general search using the function up by the red featured car on the right corner of your screen.

IT's too big of an explanation to get into in this thread (trying to keep it on topic), but suffice to say theyre a variable intake for more top end power. IT's a hollow cylinder with a hole cut in one end that rotates to align with a port in the engine allowing air to enter the extra port.

Rxmfn7 06-05-03 01:34 PM

If you take off the lower intake manifold, there will be 2 round cylindrical inserts that slide into ports in the end housings. The sleeves are hollow and are open on one side near the tip. When below ~3800RPM, the closed side of the sleeve is facing inward, so that no airflow makes it to the engine. Once you hit ~3800rpm or so, your auxillary port actuators pressurize, and rotate the sleeves so the open part faces in, allowing more airflow into the engine. The Pineapple inserts are curves, fitting into the stock sleeve to allow a better transition of airflow..
Hope I explained that well...

DriveFast7 06-05-03 01:44 PM

sounds like a great application for Red Loctite.

Rxmfn7 06-05-03 01:48 PM

Does loctite have a heat rating?? Remember this insert is near the combustion chamber, and is reaching some fairly high temeratures..

hypntyz7 06-05-03 01:50 PM

Plus there are no threads for the loctite to adhere to. I dont know that it would do the job.

hypntyz7 06-05-03 01:55 PM

BTW, I think I have been watching too many of those forensic science shows on discovery... :D

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/pineapple/p1.JPG
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/pineapple/p2.JPG
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/pineapple/p3.JPG
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/pineapple/p4.JPG
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/pineapple/p5.JPG

MaTT_FoULk 06-05-03 02:00 PM

Have you e-mailed Rob on this?

hypntyz7 06-05-03 02:16 PM

No, I figured sources close to him on this and other forums/lists would apprise him of the situation. The times I have emailed him I have gotten no response in the past.

Psychoblue23 06-05-03 02:23 PM


Originally posted by hypntyz7
Go search the archives for information on 6 ports or sleeves, or do a general search using the function up by the red featured car on the right corner of your screen.

IT's too big of an explanation to get into in this thread (trying to keep it on topic), but suffice to say theyre a variable intake for more top end power. IT's a hollow cylinder with a hole cut in one end that rotates to align with a port in the engine allowing air to enter the extra port.

darn, I was too lazy, haha thx I wil do that.

- James

MIKE-P-28 06-05-03 02:38 PM

That is screwed :(

I wished I still had the old rotor housing from a T2 around here. Some teeth on the stationary gear broke, and the rotor decided to sl;edgehammer the rotor housing at aout 7,000 rpm, needless to say it was way way worse :(

DriveFast7 06-05-03 03:03 PM


Originally posted by hypntyz7
Plus there are no threads for the loctite to adhere to. I dont know that it would do the job.
Did you know that LOTS of Production and GT racers put loctite on the outside of the rotor bearing to keep them from walking and spinning? bearing is smoooooootttttthhhhhhhh..........

hypntyz7 06-05-03 03:06 PM

No shit. Well, everytime I have personally tried loctite (red) on a smooth surface, it doesnt seem to do quite the job I would like. Perhaps it is the answer for this problem though.

BTW, you guys might want to keep a check on the sister thread to this post on the FC3S forum at http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=14253

A source close to PR has posted and a resolution is in the works, it appears.

JerryLH3 06-05-03 03:16 PM

For those of you too lazy to read the other thread on TeamFC3S, Rob's preferred method is Green Loctite, as per Blake Qualley's post.

Instructions are soon to be posted on PR website.

DriveFast7 06-05-03 03:31 PM


Originally posted by JerryLH3
For those of you too lazy to read the other thread on TeamFC3S, Rob's preferred method is Green Loctite, as per Blake Qualley's post.

Instructions are soon to be posted on PR website.

Looks like Rob knows how to use Loctite better than you do hypntyz7. No shit.

c-squared 06-05-03 03:48 PM


Originally posted by hypntyz7
No shit. Well, everytime I have personally tried loctite (red) on a smooth surface, it doesnt seem to do quite the job I would like. Perhaps it is the answer for this problem though.

BTW, you guys might want to keep a check on the sister thread to this post on the FC3S forum at http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=14253

A source close to PR has posted and a resolution is in the works, it appears.

What about loctite sleeve retainer? It was meant to bond to smooth surfaces.

j200pruf 06-05-03 05:06 PM

I have the PR insets, I cleaned them very well, And when I went to PR Rob installed them for me, he put some red loctite and then peened(sp) the insets for further protection from them falling in, red loctite works good for this application. And if you want to can rough up the mating surfaces of the insert and sleeve to get a better hold.

mazdaspeed7 06-05-03 06:16 PM

Theres a reason I make mine out of nylon, and pin them into the sleeve...

hypntyz7 06-05-03 06:55 PM


Looks like Rob knows how to use Loctite better than you do hypntyz7. No shit.
Looks like he knew he was supposed to, smartass. No shit.

j200pruf 06-05-03 07:30 PM

Damn whats up with all the hostility lately? And MS7 comes up with another great idea, any chance you can make a shit load of them?

ilike2eatricers 06-05-03 08:12 PM

hypntyz7 you are one passionate rx7 lover. keep up the great work and keep the info flowing!

Dvst8 06-05-03 08:54 PM

wow... I always questioned about those holding up in the sleeves. I think i read a thread from royjames about his goin in the chambers and ripping everything up..nice pics hypntyz7

JerryLH3 06-05-03 09:17 PM


Originally posted by Dvst8
wow... I always questioned about those holding up in the sleeves. I think i read a thread from royjames about his goin in the chambers and ripping everything up..nice pics hypntyz7
If I recall correctly, his weren't PR sleeve inserts, they were homemade inserts made of JB Weld. Bit of a difference.

mazdaspeed7 06-05-03 09:38 PM


Originally posted by j200pruf
Damn whats up with all the hostility lately? And MS7 comes up with another great idea, any chance you can make a shit load of them?
What kind of interest would there be? Im leanign towards no unless there is lots of interest.


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