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Old Aug 14, 2011 | 08:52 AM
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Charcoal canister

Ok, so I was looking at my charcoal canister in my 87 tii. I did the rats nest rmoval. and the rest of emissions removal (except throttle mod which i think is pointless). Looking at my canister the smaller line is hooked up going to the gas tank. the larger line that goes along the firewall is not hooked to anything. My question is: is the canister even doing anything the way its currently hooked up? I would like to remove it as long as no harm is being done to car. I just want to free up some space in the engine bay to give it a cleaner look. I am currently getting ready to put my oil catch can in. so i figure i would possibly mount the oic can in the canisters location. I did do a search but didnt really find clear info on removing it. so basicaly :

1. can i just remove it?
2 Do i need to cap anything off? (already did rats nest removal)

Thanks for the help as always
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Old Aug 14, 2011 | 09:54 AM
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Yes it's working.
Pressure builds up in the gas tank as the fuel evaporates. This gas then passes through the canister and it's rendered inert by the carbon inside. You can technically remove it. But then you will have highly flammable gasses exiting near your exhaust manifold. That and you will be adding more pollution to the air and killing small children. You can't cap it or you will have problems with vacuum or pressure in the tank.
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Old Aug 14, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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Plumb the charcoal canister line into the TOP nipple on the oil filler neck. T that line into your PCV/purge valve, which then goes to the intake manifold.
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Old Aug 14, 2011 | 11:56 AM
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ya i just thought about that after i posted . I hope i still have it laying aroung
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Old Aug 14, 2011 | 02:38 PM
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ok on the pcv valve that came off the car it has 3 nipples on it. a larger one and smaller one on 1 side and 1 small one coming out the opp side. can you tell me what to hook to which nipple? thanks
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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try looking for a diagram on the internet. thts what i did when i removed mine. car seemed to idle a bit weird after though, untill all the lines were sealed up air tight
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Plumb the charcoal canister line into the TOP nipple on the oil filler neck. T that line into your PCV/purge valve, which then goes to the intake manifold.
any particular nipple i should use on the manifold? i just realized that the oil filler neck nipple is open to atmosphere. could be why my car stalls after i rev it.
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 08:15 PM
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Ok , i will repost something here as a timely warning for those playing with the charcoal trap

be warned that very recently in oz, an FC that had just gone through extensive modification ( lots of $$ )
was parked up after just getting the tick of approval from authority

burned down the house it was parked under

subsequent pictures pretty much showed that the removed charcoal trap and open vent line was the source for the fire

Originally Posted by bumpstart



what is wrong with this pic ????
- aside the two leading ( actually ex trailing ) coils with no leads on for spark test


i bet a LOT of you have something just as sinister





and this is shop work
and today, its 42 degrees, and i have to suss a serious bug with a friends car

guess what happens out this little pipe when it hot???
right next to the frigging coils !!
( i have also been showered by the similar pipe on the 1st gen rx7 , usually with weber or 13bt )

this is the petrol tank vapour pipe that normal goes to the charcoal can
and then through the " pollution gear " normally tossed during the microbug/ FMC install / nest deletion and into the motor

now, a fire bomb waiting to happen, particularly when 42 degrees celsius and FUEL CONDENSATE JETS DIRECTLY AT THE COILS

i have mentioned this before



today, an inadvertent fire when completing the L coil test
( no damage, extinguished in an instant )

how many of you with a loose lead and a similar mod??????

this need a catch can, one way valve, hose and a small rocker cover filter and thought
to RE-ESTABLISH the fuel vapour and crankcase scavenge in reverse direction to the air cleaner


factory stuck that **** there for a good reason
make sure you haven't set yourself up for a nasty freeway problem
( or been set up )

temporarily , this is fixed by a long hose to the road
( get a frigging vac set up catch can all you cheapskates )

Originally Posted by bumpstart


ie
- switching vacuum in front of TB under some conditions draws open purge control valve
this opens to allow vacuum motor side of TB to suck vapour flow from the sump space
this in turn sucks vapour from the tee which is supplied from charcoal trap
AND from the air cleaner if the trap and its fumes prove to be less than positive pressure

the factory is hoping like hell the bottom vent on the charcoal trap is never blocked
else more than just fuel vapour will cycle via the sump space
( the bottom trap outlet is often actually tucked into the chassis rail !!! )
this bottom outlet on occasion may need to drip water / fuel condensations
in the chassis rail its adding to a bit of rust protection ( hopefully )

goodluck rebuilding that with no purge valve or correct switching sources
you need the purge valve
and it needs its correct source front of TB so not to allow this purge air to become part of the idle speed air
( if taken from wrong source it will open at idle and not part throttle with vacuum )
you also need the check valve, else boost may well work its way backwards to recycle to air cleaner



this needs a catch can, one way valve, hose and a small rocker cover filter and thought
to RE-ESTABLISH the fuel vapour and crankcase scavenge in reverse direction to the air cleaner
a method using a standard charcoal trap that should pass cursory inspection
BUT IS REVERSED FLOW DIRECTION AND FULL TIME SCAVENGE




now it should not take ANY brains to work out how to mod this so as to work with aftermarket multi feed catch cans
the principle is the same
the idea is that the one ways protect against fumes getting to air via the vac break
( rocker cover filter )
AND OR petrol vapour condensing in the sump space ( unlike factory in some scenarios )
people have to stop thinking of aftermarket catch cans as open vented crud collectors that just fill up
they are intended to be used a MIST SEPERATORS in modern cars to be legal
( and that one of the purposes of the original charcoal trap )
the mist is volatile but insignificant enough ( on a healthy engine ) to not effect octane horribly
( unlike carried over liquids )
and is passed on to the engine to be consumed

legally, it needs to be switched or use a charcoal trap to collect vapours when engine is not running
( another reason the factory uses a purge valve )
that technicality is passed by adding another trap in the line to the air cleaner
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 06:39 PM
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So run the charcoal canister to the intake, check!

I've a got a question about the oil catch can though. On another thread for emissions removal it was shown attached to both nipples on the oil filler neck. To me this looks like a waste of time. It looks like pressure won't be relieved and the air would just be circulated right back in to a continuous cycle.

Why not just cap one nipple, run the other to the catch can, to the intake?
I'm still a noob for the most part so please correct me on this if I'm wrong.
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