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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 03:21 PM
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Car is running rediculously rich....

i have searched, vacum leak?, maybe timing?....i can't put my finger on it, but i have unburned gas coming out of my exhaust...and i can't figure out why, its an 88 n/a with no mods at all, gutted cats, and when ever i put it in gear it launches foward, and stalls....i can't figure it out, i have tried a lot, and now im going for second, third, fourth(and so on) opinions

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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 03:42 PM
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anyone have ANY suggestions?
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 03:53 PM
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-- TPS failsafe is fuill throttle (dumping... pouring gas into the intake)

-- O2 failsafe will cause pig rich idle

--dirty as hell injectors not atomizing (squirting instead of spraying)

--maf failsafe could be an issue


Pull the CEL codes, you'll probably knock out the possibiliy of all but oen of the above
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 03:54 PM
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Maybe one of your injectors is stuck open
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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replaced the o2 sensor already, umm no codes are being spit out, umm i'll see what i can do to check that list.

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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Kenteth
-- O2 failsafe will cause pig rich idle
The O2 sensor does not effect idle at all.

There are many reasons the car could be running rich. Eliminate the simple causes: vacuum leaks, change your plugs and air filter. Do a full tuneup.

If you suspect leaking injectors, pull the intake manifolds and injectors, jumper the test connector at the passenger shock tower and turn the key to IGN. This test connector allows the fuel pump to run constantly. Any injector leak will be immediately apparent.
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 04:26 PM
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****In gear and launches fwd**** isn't that a case of either a clutch slave that needs bleeding/rebuild, OR ???????
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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Is it an auto?
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 04:36 PM
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auto i have the manual thats going in soon, but its still auto
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 06:38 PM
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would that injector cleaner you mix with your gas in tank work?
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 06:48 PM
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Keep in mind that sometimes injector cleaner makes matters worse (been there, done that, as well as others on this forum), especially if the original problem is a fuel system component clogging. If you're going to use it, go with the Chevron Techron stuff, it's the only cleaner I've heard good things about...
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Aaron Cake
The O2 sensor does not effect idle at all.

There are many reasons the car could be running rich. Eliminate the simple causes: vacuum leaks, change your plugs and air filter. Do a full tuneup.

If you suspect leaking injectors, pull the intake manifolds and injectors, jumper the test connector at the passenger shock tower and turn the key to IGN. This test connector allows the fuel pump to run constantly. Any injector leak will be immediately apparent.
thanks for the correction
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by WAYNE88N/A
Keep in mind that sometimes injector cleaner makes matters worse (been there, done that, as well as others on this forum), especially if the original problem is a fuel system component clogging. If you're going to use it, go with the Chevron Techron stuff, it's the only cleaner I've heard good things about...

That or the redline stuff.
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Aaron Cake
The O2 sensor does not effect idle at all.

There are many reasons the car could be running rich. Eliminate the simple causes: vacuum leaks, change your plugs and air filter. Do a full tuneup.

If you suspect leaking injectors, pull the intake manifolds and injectors, jumper the test connector at the passenger shock tower and turn the key to IGN. This test connector allows the fuel pump to run constantly. Any injector leak will be immediately apparent.
it does affect idle, thats why they run wierd when you pull off the air pump
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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whats the air pump have to do with the O2 sensor? the O2 sensor is inches from the block whereas the smog pump's pipe runs down to the cat, way past the O2 sesnor. am i missing something?

also, i believe the O2 sensor, like a catalytic converter, doesn't function until a certain temperature. cold start/revving warms the cat faster for emissions, and the O2 sensor, which also affects a cars performance (which includes emissions) as well.

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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 08:27 PM
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The pump's pushing air into the exhaust ports at the rotor housings, which will affect the mixture the O2 sensor sees, I think that's what j9fd3s means

The ECU will ignore the out-of range O2 sensor outputs for a while until the heated exhaust gases bring it to its "operating temp"...I can sit & watch my O2 sensor check code go on continuously for 3 or 4 minutes after a cold start, which means the sensor is pushing voltage already, but not in the limits the ECU wants to see for fuel scheduling...
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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i havent seen where the air pump pumps air pre-O2. i need someone with a pump to show me. i'm kinda curious now.
and thanks for verifying that there's an operating temp for the O2. i was 99% sure, but that 1% always makes me say 'i think' or 'i believe' or something along those lines.
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 09:32 PM
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Hook a meter up to the O2 input on the ECU and drive around- you'll learn all about it what it does just watching the readings (also an effective troubleshooting approach if you think the sensor might be bad)

Before the pump air gets routed to the cats via the split-air pipe (5th gear, I guess), it's all being dumped into the exhaust air, or out the relief valve...This is also the source for our EGR system air, I believe...

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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 10:14 PM
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the switch in the bottom of the radiator turns on the 02 sensor on the gsl-se and s4's, the s5 is smart enough on its own.

the air pump air gets injected into the exhaust ports at idle, this throws off the o2 reading, the ecu will try and compensate if the air pump air is not there. some more than others, fd's run really bad with no air pump
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Old Jun 20, 2004 | 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by WAYNE88N/A
...This is also the source for our EGR system air, I believe...
IIRC (hehe), the S5s dont have an EGR setup.
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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Thanks guys, now that we cleared that up......kidding, im going to send my injectors out to get cleaned, thanks for the help guys, much apreciated(sp?)
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