2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

Bucks like a pissed off horse

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:36 PM
  #1  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
Bucks like a pissed off horse

well i checked the fsm, and the list is pretty big...
but the one that stood out the most was the O2 sensor
ive learned that in alot of cars that that is usually the cause
previous to swapping out the o2 i cleaned the maf as well..

the o2 helped out a bit, but didnt cure it

it bucks under partial throttle, and my wideband shows that when it does this
it puts out a 10.2 to 10.0 AFR

but with a heavier load it clears up, and runs normal

got any ideas?
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:42 PM
  #2  
misterstyx69's Avatar
Retired Moderator, RIP
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (142)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 25,581
Likes: 136
From: Smiths Falls.(near Ottawa!.Mapquest IT!)
plug the Maf sensor back in?
did you happen to leave the maf hose unplugged?
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:46 PM
  #3  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
ya thats together
and the metal clip is retaining it
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:59 PM
  #4  
Brodie121's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 848
Likes: 7
From: BC, Canada
Tps?
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2010 | 09:20 PM
  #5  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
maybe, but i did readjust it not too long ago, and idle with my Rtek.

i was thinking maybe leaking injectors
it seems like it just up and did it

the last time it was running correct,
i was racing a mustang
after the race i did my plugs

it started out very minor, but got progressively worse, to the point where it seems to completely cut out, like a driving/ in gear stall for being soo rich
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2010 | 12:23 PM
  #6  
RX-7tII88's Avatar
Do Work
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 378
Likes: 0
From: Richmond VA
Mine used to do this, and I just lived with it. Untill it got so bad it would barely run. Turned out it was the TPS. I just replaced the whole thing. Maybe your TPS just decided to start going bad recently. I'd check it again.
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2010 | 01:00 PM
  #7  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
will do this weekend

ill post results
Thanks!!
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2010 | 01:29 PM
  #8  
Nick_d_TII's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,620
Likes: 6
From: Beaverton, OR
10 afrs are too rich to burn. Don't you have rtek 2.1? What injectors and what correction? What are the RTEK injector settings? Check your var res(altitude) setting, make it what your elevation is or close to it. You can check for codes on the RTEK, did you?

Good luck...
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2010 | 02:41 PM
  #9  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
ya i do have the rtek, untuned as of currently, the var/res was left alone, so i dont have to mess with the alt. setting.
havnt had the chance to check error codes

car was in one place, palm pilot in another city kind of thing

Originally Posted by Nick_d_TII
10 afrs are too rich to burn. Don't you have rtek 2.1? What injectors and what correction? What are the RTEK injector settings? Check your var res(altitude) setting, make it what your elevation is or close to it. You can check for codes on the RTEK, did you?

Good luck...
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2010 | 10:57 PM
  #10  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
well pocket logger is not reporting any errors
i went back through it and mad sure that everything was as it should be

the exhuast smells fricken aweful! its really fumy!
i got nothing, im lost, other then leaky injectors, guess ill try to test that

anyother ideas?
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2010 | 11:07 PM
  #11  
Nick_d_TII's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,620
Likes: 6
From: Beaverton, OR
What injectors do you have in and At what settings? Have you played with the fuel maps?

FWIW: I had a leaking RC injector right out of the box. Sent it back running great ever since.
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2010 | 12:33 AM
  #12  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
550/550 stock'os havent got the rc's in
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2010 | 12:21 PM
  #13  
Nick_d_TII's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,620
Likes: 6
From: Beaverton, OR
Need more info on the problem and symptoms, did you change anything before it started doing this?

AFM needs to be level, a intake leak could cause some probs, maybe leaking BOV, but you say at WOT its fine? Still using stock O2 for the ecu? Wideband for logging/reading?

You can post up a log by renaming it .zip and attaching it to your post... (include ext sensor scaling eg 0V=20afr 5V=10afr)
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2010 | 06:48 PM
  #14  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
no nothing has been changed to the ecu, or fuel system between running good, and running poorly


afm is level, just checked, ill have to see about intake leak, but i figured that would effect the idle, so i dont think its that, im running stock o2, for ECU, and wideband for my gauge

nogt sure how to log with the Rtek, but at partial throttle its anywhere between 11.0 to 10.0, and thats when it bucks, and tries to die, it completely boggs down

but under more load it clears up and runs good

not really sure what else, thats all i can think of


Originally Posted by Nick_d_TII
Need more info on the problem and symptoms, did you change anything before it started doing this?

AFM needs to be level, a intake leak could cause some probs, maybe leaking BOV, but you say at WOT its fine? Still using stock O2 for the ecu? Wideband for logging/reading?

You can post up a log by renaming it .zip and attaching it to your post... (include ext sensor scaling eg 0V=20afr 5V=10afr)
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2010 | 07:12 PM
  #15  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
ok just went for a drive, its not a consent problem, it does act right half the time at partial throttle, also, A/R shows its happening anywhere for 12.0-10.0

also the turbo is leaking oil: on a little boost, then let off it lets out a tiny poof of oil smoke, and smells fairly strong of burned oil

FSM says one of the issues may be a malfunctioning turbo, but it is spinning freely, it doesnt take effort, and shaft play is minimal(stock turbo)

im going to swap out the injectors, see how that does
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2010 | 08:12 PM
  #16  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
ok i got the uim off and i can hear one or both of the 2's... groaning i guess is the right word
so im assuming means theyre leaking, which would explain the over rich conditions and low rpm and not higher rpm..

gonna swap out the stock 550s on the 2nd and see what happens
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2010 | 08:52 PM
  #17  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
results:

helped not cured... would 1's leaking also cause this?

going to try tps now
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2010 | 12:42 PM
  #18  
Nick_d_TII's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,620
Likes: 6
From: Beaverton, OR
Yes, 1 leaking injector could cause this (only 1 of my secondary rc's leaked but caused major runability issues).

Go to the log screen on your palm with car running and press start at the bottom, press stop when you want to stop logging, then you can back up your logs by hotsyncing your palm with your comp and then view/save them with the PL viewer(see RTEK instruction manual)

You can check your TPS on the palm by going to Idle tab and initial set coupler setup? or something like that... it will tell you if it is within spec on like the first screen

You'll get it, just keep trouble shooting, good luck!
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2010 | 06:52 PM
  #19  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
is there a diy way to test injector leak?
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2010 | 06:58 PM
  #20  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
if anyone would like to make this helping process faster, u can call my cell
575-693-1147

Brendan



oooo, forgot to say

i put in my rc750s on the 2nd's, but before i had a chance to set the logger to 550/750 it was running better

as soon as i put the logger to 550/750 it was acting worse then ever! and was super rich!
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 01:44 AM
  #21  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
weeeeeeeelllllllllllllll, pretty sure my engine is popped

vac is lower then 10, which means a loss of compression

looks like im gonna need a rebuild...

ODD NOTES:
the o2 isnt reading according to my pocketlogger
covering the large nipple on the BAC caused it to idle real bad


im gonna make sure and do a compression test, but
does anyone recommend a company, whats their going price
does anyone have an engine they'd sell for a good price?
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 10:31 AM
  #22  
1SWEET7's Avatar
Now With 10th AE Fun!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,869
Likes: 1
From: CA
I have heard great things about Rotary Resurrection that is run by Kevin Landers.
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 11:01 AM
  #23  
Nick_d_TII's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,620
Likes: 6
From: Beaverton, OR
What the hell? What did you do?
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2010 | 04:22 PM
  #24  
R.O.D's Avatar
Thread Starter
Forward, Always
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 4
From: [REDACTED]
ya they look like the way to go, ill give them a call

^i think it has been an over time thing, i got the motor from japan, and i didnt rebuild it, i actually think i got lucky not having to rebuild it for as long as i have

oh another odd not:
idles fine... would a crapped engine do that?
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2010 | 02:56 PM
  #25  
t24todd's Avatar
RE_p Rotors
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
From: Newport News/Fredericksburg
nope...hard starting, loss of power, backfiring, terrible gas mileage, hot engine temps would be the case for a seal gone bad. Rear always seems to go first how the engine is designed. vac line popped off or something most likley your case, somewhere propb under ur uim when you pulled it off.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:50 PM.