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Old 10-12-06, 09:32 PM
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Like I said, we have a stringent visual test. If you don't pass the visual, you fail, no matter what the sniffer says.

I dont remember exactly what the requirements are, but I do know that you won't get away with a really high idle, and that people have been failed for having bouncing or rough idles as well.

And since the bridgeport has a high, uneven, idle, it surely wouldn't pass.
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I love the texas lick and stick policy. My BP has been passing emissions for the past 2 years.
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
I love the texas lick and stick policy.
Huh? Could you explain, I'm not familiar with the term.
I personally love not being in an emissions county, because they just don't care. As long as it drives, and all of the lights work, your good. I even passed with an obvious exhaust leak, once.
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Old 10-12-06, 09:50 PM
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HAHAH! its a term where here they dont really care as long as the inspector gets his $$$.
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Ah, ok, gotcha. I figured it was something like that.
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Old 10-12-06, 09:57 PM
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I like Alabama due to it being "The land of no emissions testing"
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I could see that on the Alabama plates!
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Originally Posted by BDC
It's a high overlap setup. Think of it like a 2-stroke motor -- it's highly emissions unfriendly. How would you "properly tune" something like that to pass?

By the way, regarding your "dyno sheet" comment, a dyno sheet isn't the end-all, be-all deciding factor in whether or not something is efficacious for our setups. This can apply here, as well. There's an ever-growing number of people that agree with the claims I've made and that a dyno sheet, while helpful, isn't necessarily, ultimately needed to prove them.

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I guess I have trouble thinking about a rotary as a two stroke, so far I have been comparing a bridgeported rotary to a fourstroke with altered cams... damn, I can't even remember how a two stroke works, not good for an ME.

And a dyno record is never the full story, but before and after charts, performed under identical conditions with the setups used fully documented will allow third parties to see how changes affect performance, by how much, at what rpm are they affected, etc. Observers can see it for themselves, and neither side can conveniently forget to mention unfavorable details. Once the raw data has been presented people can draw their own conclusions, which is much better than trying to draw conclusions from information that has already been interpreted by someone else.

And I didn't mean for my request to be a slam, but things have become something of a pissing match with no end in sight. My policy is to never argue about religion, politics, or philosophy; three subjects where scientific evidence is not accepted or welcomed. Also, it is no use trying to educate a fool, it just wastes your time and annoys the fool.
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Old 10-12-06, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BDC
The only person that will turn this thread into "muck" is you. Thanks for your response.
Ah, still avoiding the direct question...
Still see you're still the same...


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(Edit...Remove insult)

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Old 10-12-06, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
It only goes that way when you seem to chime in and somehow speak from your years of "hands on experience" with the HBP and BPs with countless hours of dyno tuning and experimentation. You are probably better off in a street port thread if you even know that.
Wow, I just love it when people claim you done **** when I have no recollection of such claims...

Please show me where I claimed I have all these experiences with HBP's and BP's?
I read about them.
I understand their concept.
Unlike other people who think they can break the rules of physics...
You'd be surprised what the truth is...


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Old 10-12-06, 10:39 PM
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This thread was started to gain a little bit of knowledge about bridgeports and half bridgeports. It was not created for you (reted) to start ****! Due to your "know it all" attitude you have proven that you are not here to lend useful knowledge , but here to promote your ego from behind a keypad. This thread has nothing to do with stockport, streetport, or p-port motors. It is for BP and HBP motors.
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Old 10-12-06, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Wow, I just love it when people claim you done **** when I have no recollection of such claims...

Please show me where I claimed I have all these experiences with HBP's and BP's?
I read about them.
I understand their concept.
Unlike other people who think they can break the rules of physics...
You'd be surprised what the truth is...


-Ted
No Ted. It is not that I say you claimed anything but, you speak as if you have such 1st hand experience and talk like you have done it and got back bad results. I can read anything and understand the concept but, you can judge things without doing them 1st.
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Originally Posted by NMJ87T2
It was not created for you (reted) to start ****!
Wow, didn't know DoO was now being called "starting ****".
Apologies for shitting on your parade.


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Old 10-12-06, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
No Ted. It is not that I say you claimed anything but, you speak as if you have such 1st hand experience and talk like you have done it and got back bad results. I can read anything and understand the concept but, you can judge things without doing them 1st.
Wow, since when your inference was the end-all authority to any discussion?
If you can read the English text, I never claimed all of that.
If you picked all of that up and thought I was trying to implicate that, you got it wrong.
You know what they say about assuming, right?

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming...


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Old 10-12-06, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Wow, since when your inference was the end-all authority to any discussion?
If you can read the English text, I never claimed all of that.
If you picked all of that up and thought I was trying to implicate that, you got it wrong.
You know what they say about assuming, right?

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming...


-Ted
So how is it Teddy, that just about everyone hates when you jump in a thread especially concerning BPs and you don't contribute anything but fustration, you are better off in your wheel offset thread. You have probably never owned a turbo-BP'd car either(oops there I am assuming). Well Theodore, the mic is yours feel free to toss in any advice from your bp experience.

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Old 10-12-06, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
Well Theodore, the mic is yours feel free to toss in any advice from your bp experience.

<3 E.

Seriously, dont. If we go back and look where this thread went to ****, and off topic it is immediately at th point in which you started posting. So, please, for use "ignorant" RX7 owners, dont. We were all enjoying the civilized coversation that was being had prior to your involvement.


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Old 10-13-06, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Slammedblk7
So how is it Teddy, that just about everyone hates when you jump in a thread especially concerning BPs and you don't contribute anything but fustration, you are better off in your wheel offset thread. You have probably never owned a turbo-BP'd car either(oops there I am assuming). Well Theodore, the mic is yours feel free to toss in any advice from your bp experience.
Sorry, need to correct you...my full legal first name is "Ted".
Not "Teddy" not "Theodore", and I doubt you consider me a friend so you can drop the nickname calling.

"Everyone hates?"
Another assumption...
All you see is the cons who are against me or don't like me.
You don't hear the ones that agree with me - *GASP* is that possible?
You'd be surprised of what you don't hear and what you don't know.

Nope, I have no desire to own a BP car.
What for?
I gave all the negatives, and it doesn't fit my needs.
I have no need for all that top-end power, cause the local police will throw you in jail for it - why risk it?
I'm not some 14-year old kid (tongue in cheek) that thinks I can get away with stupid **** like that.
No, unlike most of the "mainland", we don't have wide open roads that stretch out miles on miles where I can do top speed runs.
And, we lost out only (drag) track, so there is no where legal to turn in terms of higher than legal speeds - too bad huh.
I pay over $3 / gallon for gas, so why waste all that money on a BP tolling around in traffic?
I drive 3.5 miles of stop-n-go traffic to and from work 5 days a week.
The BP is obviously not something superior for my needs.
And if I did have a BP motor, that would make me an idiot for contradicting myself.

I see that you've forgotten what this thread was all about, since you found it that you needed to support BDC in bashing me...

I wanted clarification on why BDC's HBP made only 15hp (given the java calc) over a stock port motor?
Oh, and to the guy who was bitching about turbo sizing...I thought the calc took that into consideration, but...
BDC's project was running a T66.
J-Rat was running either a 60-1 or a GT35R.
Now, J-Rat was running a larger turbo, you'd have a case.
I believe the T66 is a larger turbo than the 60-1 or GT35R - the T66 certainly has more power potential than the other two.
Or was it that BDC was still messing with a 60-1 (or those Schwitzer-whatever) turbos?

15hp gain for a BP?
That was my question.


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Originally Posted by RETed
Oh, and to the guy who was bitching about turbo sizing...
My point is that until you have two identical engines - same series engine, same turbo, same EMS, same tuner, with the only difference being the porting, then you can't accurately compare the two in terms of power delivery. I'm not saying either one is better, I'm trying not to take sides, I'm just saying that your comparison is flawed.
Unforunately, that is pretty unlikely to happen any time soon, so this will continue to be a pissing match based on claims and theory. Its too bad, because this was a good thread until personal attacks started occuring.
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Originally Posted by Sideways7
Its too bad, because this was a good thread until personal attacks started occuring.


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What seems to be missed is this thread is NOT about BP vs SP or stockport. Its about BP v HBP, so the rest of it is off topic and of no concern. Start a new thread to hash out your "questions"


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Old 10-13-06, 02:36 AM
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IT was a great post untill all the fighting, WHO CARES. If i want a BP then great if i want a HBP great also, i come here for INFO not FIGHTING. In the end everone has to make up there own mind.

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Originally Posted by anewconvert
What seems to be missed is this thread is NOT about BP vs SP or stockport. Its about BP v HBP, so the rest of it is off topic and of no concern. Start a new thread to hash out your "questions"
I disagree.
You need to start with a base - i.e. stock port.
How can you argue merits or cons if you have no basis?
You're going to compare full BP versus HBP?
I don't understand that comparison.

It comes down to any type of porting: how does it compare to a stock port?

If all you want is BRAP, then power gains (or loses) won't concern you.
One of the touts that the pro-BP crowd has always like to trumpet is how much MORE power it produces - hell, I'm not the one who started it.

Most of us are driving stock port or street ported engines.
Thus, is makes it relavant to the majority of folks?
If you gonna narrow down the discussion to just the BP folks, WTF is it doing in this 2nd gen section???
Shouldn't you go discuss this in the Rotary Performance or some other section?


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Originally Posted by RETed
I disagree.
You need to start with a base - i.e. stock port.
How can you argue merits or cons if you have no basis?
You're going to compare full BP versus HBP?
I don't understand that comparison.

It comes down to any type of porting: how does it compare to a stock port?

If all you want is BRAP, then power gains (or loses) won't concern you.
One of the touts that the pro-BP crowd has always like to trumpet is how much MORE power it produces - hell, I'm not the one who started it.

Most of us are driving stock port or street ported engines.
Thus, is makes it relavant to the majority of folks?
If you gonna narrow down the discussion to just the BP folks, WTF is it doing in this 2nd gen section???
Shouldn't you go discuss this in the Rotary Performance or some other section?


-Ted

...... Jesus. You just HAVE to have the last word dont you?


What is the topic of this thread? Read it. Its at the top.

Ill help you: Bridgeport vs. 1/2 Bridge?


Is stockport mentioned? Streetport? How far you can ****? Any of that?


So the the point of this thread was to discuss the merits of the Bridgeport vs the 1/2 Bridgeport.


So while you may disagree, you are disagreeing with the FACT that this thread was about BP v HBP.... So when you disagree with fact that means you are.....?


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Originally Posted by RETed
I gave all the negatives, and it doesn't fit my needs.
I have no need for all that top-end power, cause the local police will throw you in jail for it - why risk it?
Unfortunately, this thread isn't about your needs.

Anywho, can we get back to USEFUL input, from everyone. Ted (yes, even him), BDC, Aaron, and others have all put in useful info and I'd like to see more. I'll never have a BP or HBP (too poor), but I still like to learn things. Considering that, I'm sure people who are considering a porting job would really like to know if this is worth it.
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Originally Posted by anewconvert
...... Jesus. You just HAVE to have the last word dont you?


What is the topic of this thread? Read it. Its at the top.

Ill help you: Bridgeport vs. 1/2 Bridge?


Is stockport mentioned? Streetport? How far you can ****? Any of that?


So the the point of this thread was to discuss the merits of the Bridgeport vs the 1/2 Bridgeport.


So while you may disagree, you are disagreeing with the FACT that this thread was about BP v HBP.... So when you disagree with fact that means you are.....?
And you still can't see where I'm coming from...

My point is that what advantages are the HBP / BP over a stock port / SP engine?
If the BP only makes 1hp over a SP engine, then why are you paying hundreds of dollars for the extra work and effort?
classicauto mentions the BRAP - I can live with that.
WTF is your reason?
I've posted my reasons why I think IT'S A BAD IDEA.
That's it.
This thread shouldn't be in this subsection - if anything, it should be in the Rotary Performance section...since it has NOTHING to do with FC's - someone else pointed out this fact, not me.
I don't give a **** what you think, since you've already stated you don't like my replies.
I'm not posting my replies for you.
My replies are the OTHER people who are reading this and trying to get an informed opinion on the subject.
There have been LOTS of people who stuck their 2 cents in that support BDC and HBP's / BP's.
They are the ones also blasting me - see above.
Again, my replies are not for them, since they already have a bias on what they want to believe.

Other people want to know what the whole deal is.
It was posted in the FC subsection; it is safe to say that the majority of readers will be FC owners.
BDC likes to point out all the positives, and I just pointed out all the negatives.
BDC likes to argue: well, you don't know **** cause you've never done it.
That's besides the point - I've counterargued with graphs, numbers, and sounds theory.
BDC still won't listen, cause just because he's done it, that's all that matters.
All BDC can say is that I don't know what the **** I'm talking about, since his experience it spools faster (yet it doesn't make more power down low), makes more power (which I've disproved, but he claims I've fudged the numbers), and is just efficient (which is a total crock of **** because overlap is overlap), and makes better low end power (which is a total crock of ****, because again overlap is overlap).
Anyone who understands intake / exhaust (port) timing, duration, overlap will understand what is going on and what is bullshit, period.
You can't break the laws of physics, but BDC seems to think he can.

Unless you got something tech that's useful to say, you can blast me in PM's all you want.


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