Benefits to clutch start delete?
03-23-14, 10:22 PM
#26
ok, well back to the topic then.
everyone here who has bypassed the switch has tried to start the car while in gear, if you haven't yet then you probably just haven't had it bypassed for very long. it is a good safety feature, luckily the cars i've done it on have not actually started.
and just yesterday while diagnosing a car the customer was turning it over while i was checking the fuel pump in the back... you know what's coming, the car had a bypass and he tried to start it in gear. but it has some usefulness, remotely starting the car or moving a dead car around with the starter.
for those acting like everyone else are idiots for starting their cars while in gear with the clutch out, look in the mirror. we're all human and we sometimes forget to do the simplest checks.
everyone here who has bypassed the switch has tried to start the car while in gear, if you haven't yet then you probably just haven't had it bypassed for very long. it is a good safety feature, luckily the cars i've done it on have not actually started.
and just yesterday while diagnosing a car the customer was turning it over while i was checking the fuel pump in the back... you know what's coming, the car had a bypass and he tried to start it in gear. but it has some usefulness, remotely starting the car or moving a dead car around with the starter.
for those acting like everyone else are idiots for starting their cars while in gear with the clutch out, look in the mirror. we're all human and we sometimes forget to do the simplest checks.
03-24-14, 07:27 AM
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I did have an occasion where I lost the hydraulics in my clutch. Pedal dropped to the floor, so I guess if the switch is on or near the pedal itself then it would have "unlocked". If the switch were actually reading the clutch itself, then I wouldn't have been able to start the car in gear...and limp home.
03-24-14, 01:12 PM
#30
ok, well back to the topic then.
everyone here who has bypassed the switch has tried to start the car while in gear, if you haven't yet then you probably just haven't had it bypassed for very long. it is a good safety feature, luckily the cars i've done it on have not actually started.
and just yesterday while diagnosing a car the customer was turning it over while i was checking the fuel pump in the back... you know what's coming, the car had a bypass and he tried to start it in gear. but it has some usefulness, remotely starting the car or moving a dead car around with the starter.
for those acting like everyone else are idiots for starting their cars while in gear with the clutch out, look in the mirror. we're all human and we sometimes forget to do the simplest checks.
everyone here who has bypassed the switch has tried to start the car while in gear, if you haven't yet then you probably just haven't had it bypassed for very long. it is a good safety feature, luckily the cars i've done it on have not actually started.
and just yesterday while diagnosing a car the customer was turning it over while i was checking the fuel pump in the back... you know what's coming, the car had a bypass and he tried to start it in gear. but it has some usefulness, remotely starting the car or moving a dead car around with the starter.
for those acting like everyone else are idiots for starting their cars while in gear with the clutch out, look in the mirror. we're all human and we sometimes forget to do the simplest checks.
There are a gazillion cars on the road with interlock switches, and in fact modern cars all control the starter through the body control module or directly through the ECU.
04-26-14, 01:02 PM
#31
Gotta agree with Aaron Cake on this one. The Clutch Switch is another point of failure in a circuit that seems to have issues that only exacerbate with age as most FC owners have found out the hard way. Click-click-start anyone?
As for the Neutral Safety Switch, it serves the same purpose as the Clutch Switch, yet is a bit more annoying to replace upon failure.
The mental discipline of remembering to put it in neutral or step on the clutch is a small price to pay for being able to move the car when the normal means aren't available. Let me illustrate it for you:
Your car is parked properly at the regular 8-12" from a curb and some ******* hits it with a 3 ton suburban, leaving the driver's door stuck shut. It also pushes your car closer to the curb, so the passenger door only opens about 12". And it happens to be winter, with your hatch being frozen quite solidly too.
All I had to do is put it in 1st gear and turn the key. Car pulls itself away from the curb with no fuss and takes 5 seconds. Much simpler and quicker than calling AAA. Besides, if you're too preoccupied to check if the car is in neutral or step on the clutch pedal when starting your own car, then you're doing it wrong.
As for the car actually starting under these conditions and running away on its own, that is something I'd love to see. Anyone with a dyno care to measure the actual torque at 750rpm? That is one measurement I'd love to see
As for the Neutral Safety Switch, it serves the same purpose as the Clutch Switch, yet is a bit more annoying to replace upon failure.
The mental discipline of remembering to put it in neutral or step on the clutch is a small price to pay for being able to move the car when the normal means aren't available. Let me illustrate it for you:
Your car is parked properly at the regular 8-12" from a curb and some ******* hits it with a 3 ton suburban, leaving the driver's door stuck shut. It also pushes your car closer to the curb, so the passenger door only opens about 12". And it happens to be winter, with your hatch being frozen quite solidly too.
All I had to do is put it in 1st gear and turn the key. Car pulls itself away from the curb with no fuss and takes 5 seconds. Much simpler and quicker than calling AAA. Besides, if you're too preoccupied to check if the car is in neutral or step on the clutch pedal when starting your own car, then you're doing it wrong.
As for the car actually starting under these conditions and running away on its own, that is something I'd love to see. Anyone with a dyno care to measure the actual torque at 750rpm? That is one measurement I'd love to see
Last edited by Akagis_white_comet; 04-26-14 at 01:16 PM. Reason: more info
04-26-14, 01:34 PM
#32
ok, well back to the topic then.
everyone here who has bypassed the switch has tried to start the car while in gear, if you haven't yet then you probably just haven't had it bypassed for very long. it is a good safety feature, luckily the cars i've done it on have not actually started.
and just yesterday while diagnosing a car the customer was turning it over while i was checking the fuel pump in the back... you know what's coming, the car had a bypass and he tried to start it in gear. but it has some usefulness, remotely starting the car or moving a dead car around with the starter.
for those acting like everyone else are idiots for starting their cars while in gear with the clutch out, look in the mirror. we're all human and we sometimes forget to do the simplest checks.
everyone here who has bypassed the switch has tried to start the car while in gear, if you haven't yet then you probably just haven't had it bypassed for very long. it is a good safety feature, luckily the cars i've done it on have not actually started.
and just yesterday while diagnosing a car the customer was turning it over while i was checking the fuel pump in the back... you know what's coming, the car had a bypass and he tried to start it in gear. but it has some usefulness, remotely starting the car or moving a dead car around with the starter.
for those acting like everyone else are idiots for starting their cars while in gear with the clutch out, look in the mirror. we're all human and we sometimes forget to do the simplest checks.
I just like the simplicity though I am complicating things by over thinking the whole ting.
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