CRXtoRX7

I found a TII for sale that I am thinking about getting. The guy says it he cant get it to start but he thinks he blew the engine. He believes it has a blown rear apex seal. What do you all think, is this the seal or something else. The engine has 14k with streetport, 3mm apex seals, fuel mods, balanced.
Thanks,
Ben

1987RX7guy

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If it is a blown apex seal you will need a new engine. How much for the car?

dr0x

Its probably flooded or has a dead coil pack.

1987RX7guy

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bang bang bang god I can't get enough of that songe

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CRXtoRX7

The guy wants 3500 for the car, so im wondering what i will have to pay after i buy. Anyone else have any ideas? Would the apex seal cause the car not to start. The guy said he started it up, heard a back fire, since then he cant get it to start.
Thanks in advance,
-Ben

1987RX7guy

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Dude the apex seal is like fying piston rings in your CRX new motor or rebuild if it is flooded it might not take much to get it to start there is a three step process to unflooding an RX-7 but a new motor is like 2-4g's depending on what you want.
What condition is the body in and what year is it.
I suggest checking kbb.com for the cars value and printing out the results and comparing them to what the guy wants.
The only way I see the car costing that much is if it is a 10th AE or mint body and interior.

Crionics

Sounds like you can really get a deal! I however wouldn't use Kelley Blue Book though because the values are really inflated. I suggest going to the bank and coping a page or two out of their NADA. If you try to get a loan from blue book, your bank will just laugh. And I definitely think a compression check is in order.

CRXtoRX7

he started it up, heard a backfire, and couldnt get it started since then. Im still trying to diagnose the problem...Thanks
Ben

J-Rat

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Hmmm...3MM seals are usually able to take some abuse before they break...

sounds kinda interesting to me...Maybe a fuel delivery problem?

Jarrett

Aaron Cake

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Only marginally more then the stock 2MM seals. One good ping will kill a 3MM just as fast as a 2MM...

As for the car, $3500 is WAY too much to ask for a car with a blown engine. $1000 tops is what I would pay, but that's just me.

It is possible it is flooded, but due to the mods listed it looks like the owner knows something about the car, so he probably already tried to unflood it. Get a compression test.

CRXtoRX7

He says he has tried a bunch of fuel delivery stuff, but sain nothing about it being flooded. He says he heard that having it not start may be caused by a crapped apex seal. Where can I get a compression check? Also, if it is just an apex seal, the engine has only 14k, so i wouldnt have to totally rebuild, that wouldnt be that much money. I am just trying to see if this is actually the apex seal, if it is just flooded or something cheap to fix, than this car is a good deal IMO. The body looks good, havent seen the interior. If the apex seal is gone ,on the other hand, I don't think 3500 is a deal at all. Oh well, more input welcome, Im still trying to figure out what is the problem, not as much the price etc... Thanks for all of your help,
Ben

CRXtoRX7

oh, and how much is a compression test?

Aaron Cake

iTrader: (1)

You can get a compression check at any Mazda dealer. Should be worth an hour of labour.

If the engine really popped a seal, it most likely also has one bad rotor housing and possibly a bad turbo. Buy the car on the assumption that the whole thing is toast.

J-Rat

iTrader: (2)

True dat, but 3mms should be able to handle some abuse, or why would you even bother installing them?

J-Rat

iTrader: (2)

Where in Az are you? I might be able to steer you to a good place to get a compression test.

CRXtoRX7

J-Rat: I live in Chandler, but the car is located in Phoenix.

.....HMM, I was really hoping you would all say "Oh no, thats not a blown apex seal, its just flooded." Oh well. I thought I heard that a car with a blown apex would still start, just not sound good. Anyways, I dont think the seller will go much lower, looking to get back a good amount of what he payed...even with the blown engine. Im wondering, why would the seal be damaged at just idle??

Well, keep the ideas coming, TIA
Ben

dr0x

I wouldnt pay more than a grand for a non running tii either. Whip out a compression gauge and do a test. If it comes back good, look towards fuel problems, ignition problems and wiring problems.

2a+RoN

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rx7_turbo2

That's the big debate now isnt it. Why install them? Because the shop can charge you more, because the shop can used damaged rotors not suitable for 2mm, because they are way easier to install if you are lazy and don't know what your doing. I guess that's why

CRXtoRX7

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Anyone have experience with a blown apex seal...?

CRXtoRX7

I got some more info. Has not had compression test but he pulled the plugs and the EGI fuse and cranked it, and the rear Leading sounded way softer than the rest. Apex seal right?
-Ben

CRXtoRX7

anyone, anyone?

J-Rat

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Well, its either a blown apex seal or its flooded. Ususally a flooded condition affects the rear rotor more then the front. The rear rotor is also more prone to failure.

Two words for ya. PUSH START. ITs DEFINATELY not worth $3500 if it wont even start.

Jarrett