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Old Aug 28, 2013 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by clokker
That's not unreliable, it's desperately attempting suicide and you keep thwarting it.
Make my day and tell me it's an Athlon.
no its the operating system, nobody supports it, so it just totally gets screwed anytime there is a software update, it particularly doesn't like flash.

this time though the power supply failed

i did spend an hour this morning looking at lada jokes, and maybe re purposing them to be microsoft jokes, but no luck. the Lada is the car the british make fun of, btw.
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Old Aug 28, 2013 | 08:49 PM
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Its tough to sell $100 parts you want to sell $1000 parts that require even more $$$ to have complete--good luck, lol
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Old Aug 28, 2013 | 08:56 PM
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Its tough to sell $100 parts you want to sell $1000 parts that require even more $$$ to have complete--good luck, lol
well you need one of these things too!
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Old Aug 28, 2013 | 09:04 PM
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I stopped selling lips because guys would have long discussions over a lousy $200, like what do you want for $200 ******* dollars, lol

Cost me $100 in fuel for a weekend whats $200 really worth these days
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
i didn't say all RX7 owners are cheap, mainly just FC/FB owners.
I thought it was just FC owners, but as of lately, FB owners have been pulling the same type of crap as FC owners. I dont understand the mentality, but I've come to a point where I would rather store or throw away parts, than advertise them.

I've had the following requests/responses:

"Do you mind paying for half the shipping cost?" - On a FREE item

"I personally saw the delivery guy throw the box at my door" and expecting some sort of refund for the "damage parts" - All on a WELL packed fiber glass pod?

"The I want it for sure, I will paypal you two weeks from now when I get paid... only to never hear back from them" - This on a less than a $100 item

Haven't dealt much with FD owners, but man FB owners are just as bad as FC owners

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ok i will let the board know that due to the huge groundswell of popular support the design phase of this project is a go! this is actually kind of exciting.
EXCITED

Originally Posted by Rob XX 7
Its tough to sell $100 parts you want to sell $1000 parts that require even more $$$ to have complete--good luck, lol
Originally Posted by Rob XX 7
I stopped selling lips because guys would have long discussions over a lousy $200, like what do you want for $200 ******* dollars, lol

Cost me $100 in fuel for a weekend whats $200 really worth these days

^^^ This and effin this!!

BTW - What lip are you talking about? I am debating wheter fixing the shine odula thats all busted on my fc, get another one, or run no lip!
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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knofs- I was selling what some called a demonspeed lip, it was $200 or so WITH SHIPPING.
Keep in mind the custom boxes cost me almost $9 each and the shipping between 25-30.
Time to make the lip, then box it up- just packing it up takes about 20 minutes.
So really whats the profit for me? NONE, you need mexicans in sweat shops making it or guys in China to turn any profit. Then to top it off I get a guy here and there who cant figure out how to bolt it on their 25+ year old car and complain. I sold about 15 of them 3 guys had difficulty installing- its not the part its the guy installing it and the car he is installing it on
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 10:20 AM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by Rob XX 7
you need sweat shops to turn any profit.
this is true, we used to make the camber link and the toe links, and stuff, but why bother to make those when you can buy some cheapass chinese one on ebay?
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
well you need one of these things too!
not necessarily. CAD and CAM just make things much more simple and relatively more repeatable with less variance.

but you can still make pieces by hand, people have done it for centuries before. the problem also with automation is quality control, which seems to be nonexistent these days.

everything i do is by hand with the exception of some items which are just too difficult like rotor lightening, rotor milling and small intricate designs which the CNC router just makes simple. i could do them by hand still but the time wouldn't be worth the cost.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 12:22 PM
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not necessarily. CAD and CAM just make things much more simple and relatively more repeatable with less variance.

but you can still make pieces by hand, people have done it for centuries before. the problem also with automation is quality control, which seems to be nonexistent these days.

everything i do is by hand with the exception of some items which are just too difficult like rotor lightening, rotor milling and small intricate designs which the CNC router just makes simple. i could do them by hand still but the time wouldn't be worth the cost.
we're going to use the CAD for the design phase, as you can do the strength testing/weight reduction, and make big changes really easily. plus we can optimize the geometry.

as far as actual parts go we're hoping to use as much off the shelf stuff as possible. actually if the FC didn't have a weird ball joint, you could maybe use an FD spindle and either FD or miata upper arm, and make some simple brackets and be done
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 12:26 PM
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i understand, but the forces present aren't dramatic that a triangulated tube frame wouldn't do the job of.

it of course would be the most simple for camber angles but might even be more work than worth. if it were me i would place the lower arm joints in the same spot but make them adjustable with cams like most modern cars have. now, a double wishbone would require more measuring, even for a CAD design, regardless if it was manually or electronically designed.

BUT, how would you fit a double wishbone to an FC without chopping the whole strut tower to cheese is the question.

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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
i understand, but the forces present aren't dramatic that a triangulated tube frame wouldn't do the job of.

it of course would be the most simple for camber angles but might even be more work than worth. if it were me i would place the lower arm joints in the same spot but make them adjustable with cams like most modern cars have. now, a double wishbone would require more measuring, even for a CAD design, regardless if it was manually or electronically designed.

BUT, how would you fit a double wishbone to an FC without chopping the whole strut tower to cheese is the question.
yeah there is a HUGE scope for making this complicated.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 12:38 PM
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hell, it could be easier to just cut the front of the car off and tube frame everything, like most real race cars do.

that avoids all the hassle of trying to rework old metal to accept new suspension, it also gives a hell of a lot more room to work with.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob XX 7
knofs- I was selling what some called a demonspeed lip, it was $200 or so WITH SHIPPING.
Keep in mind the custom boxes cost me almost $9 each and the shipping between 25-30.
Time to make the lip, then box it up- just packing it up takes about 20 minutes.
So really whats the profit for me? NONE, you need mexicans in sweat shops making it or guys in China to turn any profit. Then to top it off I get a guy here and there who cant figure out how to bolt it on their 25+ year old car and complain. I sold about 15 of them 3 guys had difficulty installing- its not the part its the guy installing it and the car he is installing it on
I hear you man, I hear you! Thats why I decided to keep things and hang them off the wall, than trying to sell them. Too much hassle for lil in return

Do you have any unsold/left over lip?
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
hell, it could be easier to just cut the front of the car off and tube frame everything, like most real race cars do.

that avoids all the hassle of trying to rework old metal to accept new suspension, it also gives a hell of a lot more room to work with.
true this is the easiest way and everything will be perfect and exactly what you want but...a lot of competitive classes do not allow this, pretty sure the "unlimited" time attack class allows you to only tube frame from infront of the strut towers.
edit: I would assume a aftermarket k member would pass for unlimited but I am not positive, I know there is mustangs in bracket racing all the time with them though.
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Old Aug 29, 2013 | 11:18 PM
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ok i will let the board know that due to the huge groundswell of popular support the design phase of this project is a go! this is actually kind of exciting.

the first hurdle is fixing the damn computer, its an XP64 machine, so its blown up 6 times in the last year, and we call the rotary unreliable...
Whats bad in your computer. I have a spare main-board with CPU you can have
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Old Aug 30, 2013 | 10:34 AM
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Whats bad in your computer. I have a spare main-board with CPU you can have
power supply! i'm hoping to fix this with a Mac, as those actually work.

XP64 needs a defroster on the back window so you can push start it....
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