Advantages FC's have against compeditors in drifting?
07-02-06, 04:45 PM
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Did someone say thread revival? 
I'm actually going to clean this thread up and then throw it in the archives as soon as it gets some more good tech info in it. I think that it would be very beneficial to any noob drifter.
I'm actually going to clean this thread up and then throw it in the archives as soon as it gets some more good tech info in it. I think that it would be very beneficial to any noob drifter.
10-31-06, 07:32 AM
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"Now from personal experience, I have found that the FC and the FD are extrremely forgiving when traction is lost. The low polar moment helps let the driver contol the car with gas and brake input to bring the car back under control. If you REALLY screw up and bring it back so hard that it kicks out the other side you still have a chance to bring it back under control. Not so much with those reverse monoleaf suspension that Corvettes use for example. Once the back end kicks out twice it is usually over. (That or I just can't handle the domestic muscle properly.) But to me they are much harder to control with gas and brake adjustments. "
Vettes are an **** to try and recover....I swear ive never been closer to shitting my pants than when it gets squirelly. (When standing water is on the road its the worst, itll kick out at 70 in 5th gear...thats scary) To bring it back, you need REALLY fast hands, and pray that god is looking at you so he can give you traction again.
My RX7 doesnt have a clutch yet, but im sure ill go out and compare the two (hopefully a skid pad or a slick track somewhere)
Vettes are an **** to try and recover....I swear ive never been closer to shitting my pants than when it gets squirelly. (When standing water is on the road its the worst, itll kick out at 70 in 5th gear...thats scary) To bring it back, you need REALLY fast hands, and pray that god is looking at you so he can give you traction again.
My RX7 doesnt have a clutch yet, but im sure ill go out and compare the two (hopefully a skid pad or a slick track somewhere)
01-06-07, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sintri
easiest way to slide is using the tires from the guy who sold you the fc 
lol.
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02-03-07, 02:58 AM
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Trailing arm rear sus.?
Advantage: Cheaper to total out a chassis when it bends.
Disadvantages: Slow transition
Low angle in drift
Not much rear bite under acceleration
Lack of parts and info.
Basically no advantage when paired up with relatively equal moded cars of different popular chassis.
Disadvantages: Slow transition
Low angle in drift
Not much rear bite under acceleration
Lack of parts and info.
Basically no advantage when paired up with relatively equal moded cars of different popular chassis.
09-21-07, 10:32 PM
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I have driven most of the late eighties/early nineties sports cars, trying to drift and race at tracks and on the street. I have found the fc and fd chassis are much more responsive when using more throttle than brake to keep the car on the line. They're also more on/off throttle and brake cars than most. I love my fc more and more, especially with stronger springs and tightening down the suspension as much as I have over stock. This car has so little body roll compared to my supra or s14, so the felt transfer through the end of a turn as you come back onto the throttle is small and for me it takes a little guts to really get on it get the front in. I am NOT a "wreckless" drifter, i.e., I don't go whipping my car around using my eb at every turn to get sideways. I enjoy finding a good line into a turn and properly oversteering with the throttle or under braking to induce a good natural slide, but only if I feel good about it. The main advantage of my s14 in drifting was the extra weight moving around, you get a little better feel of the car and when it will break loose, because you can feel the car reacting and know what speed you are at (look at your speedo! must keep the mph up to drift!). It's easier for me to finesse this slightly slower reacting body with a little throttle and brake, because the car forgives a little more as long as I hit the turn right and have a good feel for what it will do at the speed I am at. However, on a tight set of turns, I can drive my fc through at hard throttle and brake and never let the tires slip once, perfect line driving (or as pathetically far from perfect as I sometimes am), and still beat my s14's time by a good couple seconds. The supra was a different beast. I had a jza70 sport roof with a 1jz-gte, and that thing was like a camaro. If you tried to drift by using the throttle or brake and went ever so slightly too fast (bout 35 around a rather sharp turn I always hit in my fc at nearly 50) the front tires became totally useless no matter what way you turn them and all four tires go loose. My supra was just a hard to predict car.
09-21-07, 10:52 PM
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RETed, i never watched that vid looking at it for those specific reasons, and after reading boostmaniac's "illegal" post i feel as if i just bought a new car unlike the one i thought i owned. i'm not huge into drifting but i do love and respect the art of it. and who doesnt love to slide the occasional corner from time to time anyways. i saw what you meant before i read boostmaniacs post after just going back and watching that vid again for the umpteenth time. its a beautiful thing. this forum rocks, and thanks for the insight
09-21-07, 11:42 PM
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boostmaniac missed some different types..."Feint" steer away right before the turn then crank it hard into the corner countersteer keeping your front tires pointing to where you wanna go or downshift as you enter the corner or clutch kick
a book I HIGHLY reccommend for any new drifter is "How to Drift... The art of oversteer"
it goes in depth about each type of drift with excellent step by step pictures
It's definately the drivers handbook for drifting!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/How-T...spagenameZWDVW
a book I HIGHLY reccommend for any new drifter is "How to Drift... The art of oversteer"
it goes in depth about each type of drift with excellent step by step pictures
It's definately the drivers handbook for drifting!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/How-T...spagenameZWDVW
09-22-07, 01:37 AM
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lol, I can't believe that this thread still keeps getting bumped. Well it's been a year and a half since I made this topic, and with my newfound experiences in the past year I guess I'll make my own contribution to this topic.
I haven't driven an AE86 yet, but after driving an S13 it immediately becomes apparent why it might be a more popular platform for drifting. Comparing the two, a "slingshot" effect is very apparent, no doubt because of the greater moment of inertia and longer wheelbase. It is easier to feel the car pitch, and weight transfers are more obvious and easier to handle. The chassis as a whole reacts slower compared to the FC, but I think it's definitely easier to handle.
Not to say the FC is all that hard to handle, either. Compared to rear wheel drive cars as of late, I think its more of a middle ground. It's definitely no 240, but it's not nearly as twitchy as say, an S2000. My personal answer to my own question, I suppose, would be the fact that the FC retains some of the mildness seen in 240s, but with a quicker responding chassis and quicker steering (well, the FC power steering is definitely much quicker than the S13...that **** is crazy lol).
I haven't driven an AE86 yet, but after driving an S13 it immediately becomes apparent why it might be a more popular platform for drifting. Comparing the two, a "slingshot" effect is very apparent, no doubt because of the greater moment of inertia and longer wheelbase. It is easier to feel the car pitch, and weight transfers are more obvious and easier to handle. The chassis as a whole reacts slower compared to the FC, but I think it's definitely easier to handle.
Not to say the FC is all that hard to handle, either. Compared to rear wheel drive cars as of late, I think its more of a middle ground. It's definitely no 240, but it's not nearly as twitchy as say, an S2000. My personal answer to my own question, I suppose, would be the fact that the FC retains some of the mildness seen in 240s, but with a quicker responding chassis and quicker steering (well, the FC power steering is definitely much quicker than the S13...that **** is crazy lol).
10-28-10, 03:08 AM
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This is an excellent thread... It looks like it's been a few years since anyone posted... but I just thought I'd drop by and say thanks to everyone for all the great info. I've owned 7 FC's and 1 FD... The current project is an 88 GTU TII swap - check my other posts for details... but I am really thankful that so many of you have taken the time to really go in depth on what mods/techniques are important for whatever aspect of driving that you're into.
RX-7 owners rock.
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10-29-10, 10:34 AM
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So I was reading RETed's article on "Drifting the FC3S" ( http://fc3spro.com/TECH/DRIFT/dori.html ), and he mentions the FC as one of "the top 5 desireable chassis", but doesn't really elaborate as to why. Why is that? It seems to be general concensus that the S-chassis is the supreme platform for drifting, and the FC meant to be more of a grip car. What advantages does the FC have over its compeditors (S-chassis, AE86, even FD) in terms of drifting? Or is it just popular because its RWD and cheap?
11-19-10, 10:07 AM
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This really is quite fantastic. A serious thank you to the contributors.
First time I induced oversteer (accidentally...) it was one hell of an experience-- namely finding the point of traction loss, awareness of entry speed, etc. and really in my face knowing the capability of my FC.
Of course, I almost hit the side of the mountain when that happened...
Went looking for an autox/drift group or event thing that same evening because I know that if I'm going to want to do something stupid again, best to do it amongst the cones.
First time I induced oversteer (accidentally...) it was one hell of an experience-- namely finding the point of traction loss, awareness of entry speed, etc. and really in my face knowing the capability of my FC.
Of course, I almost hit the side of the mountain when that happened...
Went looking for an autox/drift group or event thing that same evening because I know that if I'm going to want to do something stupid again, best to do it amongst the cones.
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