You'd probably win.&nbsp The GSR needs to be clutch dumped right when the VTEC kicks in, like over 5kRPM, if he wants any chance to keep up...


-Ted

 

2.6L... I could drink that much Sprite in about 20 minutes...

 

not to loose site of the original topic but.. dude.. your living on that wonderful world of denial.. maybe if the race was 1/2 mile the GSR would beat a zx2.. but I've done it many times AND i've seen other do it many times.. the GSR is catching up by the top of 3rd gear.. that's it.. the GSR is too heavy and too low on low and mid range torque to catch up to a car that's 450lbs lighter ( the zx2), has 130ft/lbs from 2300 to 7300 has 145 hp and has a very close ratio gearset.. the TypeR does however overcome allot of the downfalls of the GSR , weight and power . but then again the GSR and type are are both more then double the price of a 2 door zx2 ( the last escort for those who don't know).. my 91 Na street port will hang well with most GSR's that are stock..

 

im gonna have to disagree on this one ted :P hehe 5500 slips do it the best on hondas.... if you engage it any lower than 4700 on b16's the motor bogs... any lower than 4k on a GSR the motor bogs... the GSR will surprise alot of people with bolts ons...... ITR imo is a pretty damn well done car.... with bolt ons seeing high 13's isnt impossible.... i've seen people dyno 160-165 stock ... and with a really good i/h/e seeing 190 - 200 isnt impossible ..... im talking a good setup tho.... like a j's racing intake, or chambered intake, hytech . headertech.. comptech 4 - 2 - 1 race header, and a nice 2.5 mandrel exhaust will pick up usually about 25 - 30 hp on a honda... but like i said.... its the swapped hatchies you gotta watch out for.... think 190 hp , 2200lbs with driver... and super close gears.... ( shift at 8400 drop to 6400-6500rpms) can muster up a good time with a good driver... cutting a 2.0 60 in a honda with 200 hp in a 2200lbs is DEADLY trust me i live in socal.... hondas are BIG down here.... but im still not scared of them

 

LOL if a gsr had 145hp it would be slower than crap.... it has 180 to the flywheel stock... usually dynos around 150ish.... sorry but the zx2 will get owned by any of hondas DOHC vtec motors.... i think even a civic EX would take one.... lol

 

.. yeah.. riiight, the GSR may have 180hp but it's not got TQ.. and on a heavier car with taller gear ratios ( the GSR) a lighter car that has 135ft/lbs at 2300 to redline ( the zx2) vs a heavier that doesn't make any more TQ then that by 5000 rpm and then only very peaky.. is going to loose.. just becuse a car has more peak HP does not mean it's going to win a race.. thier are a hell of allot more thens that go into it. You ricers seem to think your vetec is some sort of magical device.. it's not.

Either way, I've done it more then 5 or 6 times.. all different drivers, all different GSR's.. by the toop of 3rd, which is close to the end of the 1/4 that's where theGSR finally starts to pull on the zx2.. the Focus would loose in an instant , it's heavier, has a taller gear ratio and does not have the variable cam timing the zx2 does..

FC will still own the GSR, they are pig dog heavy

 

Why not just say nothing at all and let your driving speak for itself. Instead of saying 'oh yea i could kick your ***' and then end up losing because hes a better driver or something like that. And sometimes saying nothing will build his confidence then when you flat out kill him it will make it sting just that little bit more. Also i think this race would be dependant on the condition of the T2. Its a relatively old car, and things can go wrong. Id take it in for a full tune up, including plugs and wires, do some compression testing, change the oil, etc. before driving it hard against him. Good luck.

 

gsr doesnt have that tall of gears... shift at 8200 drop to 6k... not to bad imo acutally pretty short...

 

looks pretty similar to a NA 13b with bolt ons..... and its in a car that weighs 2600-2700lbs with driver.... and thats saying its a fully loaded gsr.... 4drs...a/c... power windows .... sunroof... the whole doodad

 

all i know is that my hyundai tiburon beat all the GSRs it raced. they wernt stock either, but neither is mine, it has intake and exhaust. beat eclipse gst (stock) too. tiburons are fairly quick cars, too bad they got such a bad rep.

 

Come on people, it always gets too skewed from the original question the original poster asked.&nbsp The questions was STOCK FOR STOCK.&nbsp Mods throws everyone out the door...

I'm getting tired of all the debates that have nothing to do with the original question!

Just to jog your crappy memories:&nbsp "Both completely stock, both manual, who would win? Oh, dont forget that he's got a sticker on his car....that could decide the race"


-Ted

 

stock for stock the gsr would not have a problem beating an NA
1. its newer
2. better gearing
3. more power


now agianst the t2 thats a different question..... gsr's stock dont have a problem putting out 140-145hp.... stock t2's put out around 160? but weigh about 200lbs more.... theres too many factors between the 2 becuz there pretty close.... the t2 can have crappy tires and the gsr runs some azenis or bfg street radials.... or vise versa..... if the t2 is in good running condition just take him a lil on the launch and you win....

 

i used to have a 98 gsr..i just sold it last week..had it for a year..now i have a 88 t2..and truthfully id say the gsr feels faster..but out of the box the rx8 is definitely quicker...but overall i think if i raced both down the 1/4 mile my gsr would win..both are basically stock..u gotta love the way the gsr makes power all the way up to 7800-8k rpm

 

ya but who says the a t2 wont make power all the way up to 8 either. i raced a new gsr in my 87t2 on the highway about 2 weeks ago that had intake and exhaust just from what i could tell. it was actually a close race until we hit about 100 and i started losing him. all i have done is a cat back exhaust(greddy pe)

 

My friend with the GSR has raced many zx2 and he has torn the door off those pieces of ****. His car is totally stock, and it is a 94. Goes to show the GSR are faster and more reliable. zx2s are rated at 16s, GSRs are rated at low 15s. the only thing hes lost to is a damn M3. It even beat an accord turbo and many other hondas

 

hah. sorry but if you friends "totally stock" gsr, beat a turboed accord, hah the accord wasnt trying, or its broken, or better yet, maybe he had one of those things that simulate the sound of a turbos BOV

 

You're kidding right?

A S5 N/A would probably beat the GS-R. I've owned one, they're quick, but NOT nearly as fast as a TurboII.

 

Pass the crack pipe dude.. Everyone here wants some of whatever you're smoking to come up with that conclusion.

 

Quite a claim, but id have to see a dyno sheet of this considering SCC dyno'd a stock ITR and it only did 162 2200lbs if its COMPLETLY stripped (nowhere close to being safe to drive on the street), just like we discussed that night and you agreed

And like its been said before, this is a stock T2 againist a stock GSR and so yea, the T2 would ream the GSR


Wrong again. So you're telling me a GSR weighs approx. 2450-2550 without a driver? Right........
So based on your "facts" the GSR is lighter then a complete base S4 FC. The GSR actually weighs about 2688lbs. So with a driver thats 2850 with driver approx.

 

a gsr beating a T2? maybe a beat up s4.

 

The turbo accord thing i dont know much about but stock gsr's or miildly moded ones can get 14.8-15.4 and a stock or mildly moded tII can get 14.3-15.0. I totaly agree that stock to stock the TII would win but only by a car length or two.

 

stop all this honda praising. a series5 TII (stock) is faster than a 00 integra GSR (stock)

get a downpipe and you'll roll him harder.

 

:sigh:

I had a 98 gsr with just an aem cai about 2 years ago. I sold it and bought the 87 turbo II with 49k original miles. I think a race between the two would be very close. Most series 5 turbo II's run low low 15's. I did the exact same in my gsr with the cold air intake. Now throw on a walbro and thunderfabrications dp/mp and my t2 suddenly felt like an entirely different car and would have stomped my old gsr all day long.

 

well, well all know how bad car-stats.com sucks, but they say a 2000 GSR will run 15.5 quartermile and a 1990 TurboII will run quartermile in 14.9.

 

Where are you getting your stats? Of all the times I've ever had my TurboII out to the drag strip (running 3 lbs UNDER stock boost mind you) I've never run above 14.9999999 (that means it's never touched slow 15's).

S5 TurboII's (and S4's) are mid 14 second cars stock, and modded mid 13 second cars before they need fuel upgrades (full intake and exhaust running 10 or 11 lbs). If mine running 5 lbs can run 13.75, I'm sure others can run much quicker with another 5 psi.