View Poll Results: what should i do ?
do the swap and have boosted 4 wheels?
18
64.29%
dont do it b/c i will shoot myself ?
10
35.71%
Voters: 28. You may not vote on this poll
7 SWAP FOR dsm awd
10-02-02, 02:56 PM
#26
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Havre de Grace, MD
Posts: 576
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by T24U
I think the trannies on the TII can handle the hard launches better as well - since RWD launches are alot easier on the car than an AWD launch.
I think the trannies on the TII can handle the hard launches better as well - since RWD launches are alot easier on the car than an AWD launch.
I hate how some of these posts just get into bitching about the other car instead of showing high points and stuff. Too bad no other car is as great as my Rx7. Cause if they were all on pace with mine, traffic would be gone and mechanics would be millionaires.
10-02-02, 06:14 PM
#28
Green Flameless
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: North Central PA
Posts: 2,242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have a 92 Eclipse. It's been dead in the water for nearly a year now over a "simple" clutch problem.. noone can tell me why.. the tranny isn't screwed up, and it's a newer engine, but since i've had my seven, i haven't really put very much time into it... 
10-02-02, 10:18 PM
#30
Full Member
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Knoxvegas
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
hmmmmmm. i had(well still have sort of) my T2 since 94. It was kinda modded. sold all the parts off it and bought a 92awd talon.
92 talon
stronger motor
not as concerned with boost spikes
can be made quicker for cheap
interior and exterior are in much better shape than my 7
quality mechanic is a lot closer
parts are hella cheaper
oh and it starts everyday
bad points
trannies suck monkey *****
not as fast(top end) due to shorter gearing
not as good looking as my 7was(yet)
89 t2(haltech,T66, etc)(
fun as hell to drive
looks better(from far away)
faster interstate car
more unique
tranny can take much more abuse(only broke 1 diff mount, and 2nd gear was dead)
bad points
motor is sooooooooooooooooo touchy
parts are way more exspensive
good mechanics are few and far between
facts of my cars
had a hell of a time getting quality work done on it
had a total of 6 motor in the 7.
it had 26k on it in 94 when i bought it, now has 110000.
it was broken about 70% of the time i owned it. but all in all i loved the car.
my talon was purchased in dec of 01. it is in great shape in and out. I already killed the tranny(last owner didnt help much) John Shepherd did the rebuild on it, and aside from my own stupidity its been a good car.
would i do it over again? no, I would have given up oin my 7 a long time ago.
I know a guy who went the other way(DSM to 7) he currently loves his 7, but he is still reaquainting himself to the 7
92 talon
stronger motor
not as concerned with boost spikes
can be made quicker for cheap
interior and exterior are in much better shape than my 7
quality mechanic is a lot closer
parts are hella cheaper
oh and it starts everyday
bad points
trannies suck monkey *****
not as fast(top end) due to shorter gearing
not as good looking as my 7was(yet)
89 t2(haltech,T66, etc)(
fun as hell to drive
looks better(from far away
)faster interstate car
more unique
tranny can take much more abuse(only broke 1 diff mount, and 2nd gear was dead)
bad points
motor is sooooooooooooooooo touchy
parts are way more exspensive
good mechanics are few and far between
facts of my cars
had a hell of a time getting quality work done on it
had a total of 6 motor in the 7.
it had 26k on it in 94 when i bought it, now has 110000.
it was broken about 70% of the time i owned it. but all in all i loved the car.
my talon was purchased in dec of 01. it is in great shape in and out. I already killed the tranny(last owner didnt help much) John Shepherd did the rebuild on it, and aside from my own stupidity its been a good car.
would i do it over again? no, I would have given up oin my 7 a long time ago.
I know a guy who went the other way(DSM to 7) he currently loves his 7, but he is still reaquainting himself to the 7
11-27-02, 05:09 AM
#31
Full Member
okay i've noticed it's been a little while since this post started and since the last reply was given so don't know if you're still debating on this or not. but being that i've been into dsm's a good bit i figured i'd give my input.
for one, the 4g63 motor is strong. you can usually get around 400 horsepower before having to worry about changing the internals of the engine (see if that can be done on a crappy honda) and i've seen a couple go up to around 500 still on stock....though i'm sure they won't last long like that.
the 1g's have a bigger turbo than the 2g so you have better topend potential on the stock turbo but most people upgrade anyway. usually to a 16g or a 20g. people don't usually go bigger than that unless you're wanting major horsepower.
A LOT of the parts between the 1g and 2g cars are interchangeable for horsepower increases. but some things you'd already have in your favor are....
1g bov (good for plenty of psi without leaking)
6 bolt motor (no crankwalk like the 2g cars)
14b turbo (better for topend)
bigger intake ports on the head than the 2g (and can be ported even bigger)
bigger intake manifold
bigger throttle body
i think that's most of the good points about the 1g cars cause those are parts you don't really have to upgrade to get more power (unlike the 2g's...you have to upgrade a lot of the parts). i know a guy who was running 12.0 in the 1/4 with just some bolt ons and stock internals if that helps.
awd will CRUSH people off the line. i had a 2g with a 20g setup and launched at 6-7k sometimes and would just totally kill people off the line. but you have to be careful about twisting driveline parts in 2 if you do that very often.
vendors....there's tons.
www.roadraceengineering.com
www.ffwdconnection.com
www.forcedperformance.com
www.machv.com
www.turbotrix.com
www.agpturbo.com
www.hrchahnracecraft.com
www.dsm-performance.com
www.teamrip.com (transmission mods)
etc. etc.
www.dsm.org is a good place to get info on them as well as www.dsmtalk.com do your research if you have doubts. i personally love the cars and they can take knock unlike the 7's. only reason why i'm getting into the 7's is for 2 reasons.
1.) good looks
2.) overall mods are cheaper for the higher horsepower range that i'd be shooting for.
there's some bad points too as with any car (but worrying about popping the motor from tuning isn't a big worry). but if you wanna drag race at all and make some vettes, vipers, or whatever cry, this car will defintely do it with some mods....even with internals still intact. you can launch hard anywhere on street tires unlike a rwd that would have to run slicks and do a burnout. i'd do it IF you like the 1g body style. these cars aren't as known for roadracing but some people do it. heck, it's awd. fwd sucks though!!!
if you have any questions or want advice, just holler at me. i've done my share of mods....and have worked for the dealer as well. but either way you go, good luck. sorry so long.
scott
as for me personally, i had a 2g. like the look better than the 1g but 1g guys are generally faster most of the time.
for one, the 4g63 motor is strong. you can usually get around 400 horsepower before having to worry about changing the internals of the engine (see if that can be done on a crappy honda) and i've seen a couple go up to around 500 still on stock....though i'm sure they won't last long like that.
the 1g's have a bigger turbo than the 2g so you have better topend potential on the stock turbo but most people upgrade anyway. usually to a 16g or a 20g. people don't usually go bigger than that unless you're wanting major horsepower.
A LOT of the parts between the 1g and 2g cars are interchangeable for horsepower increases. but some things you'd already have in your favor are....
1g bov (good for plenty of psi without leaking)
6 bolt motor (no crankwalk like the 2g cars)
14b turbo (better for topend)
bigger intake ports on the head than the 2g (and can be ported even bigger)
bigger intake manifold
bigger throttle body
i think that's most of the good points about the 1g cars cause those are parts you don't really have to upgrade to get more power (unlike the 2g's...you have to upgrade a lot of the parts). i know a guy who was running 12.0 in the 1/4 with just some bolt ons and stock internals if that helps.
awd will CRUSH people off the line. i had a 2g with a 20g setup and launched at 6-7k sometimes and would just totally kill people off the line. but you have to be careful about twisting driveline parts in 2 if you do that very often.
vendors....there's tons.
www.roadraceengineering.com
www.ffwdconnection.com
www.forcedperformance.com
www.machv.com
www.turbotrix.com
www.agpturbo.com
www.hrchahnracecraft.com
www.dsm-performance.com
www.teamrip.com (transmission mods)
etc. etc.
www.dsm.org is a good place to get info on them as well as www.dsmtalk.com do your research if you have doubts. i personally love the cars and they can take knock unlike the 7's. only reason why i'm getting into the 7's is for 2 reasons.
1.) good looks
2.) overall mods are cheaper for the higher horsepower range that i'd be shooting for.
there's some bad points too as with any car (but worrying about popping the motor from tuning isn't a big worry). but if you wanna drag race at all and make some vettes, vipers, or whatever cry, this car will defintely do it with some mods....even with internals still intact. you can launch hard anywhere on street tires unlike a rwd that would have to run slicks and do a burnout. i'd do it IF you like the 1g body style. these cars aren't as known for roadracing but some people do it. heck, it's awd. fwd sucks though!!!
if you have any questions or want advice, just holler at me. i've done my share of mods....and have worked for the dealer as well. but either way you go, good luck. sorry so long.
scott
as for me personally, i had a 2g. like the look better than the 1g but 1g guys are generally faster most of the time.
Last edited by V8s_are_slow; 11-27-02 at 05:11 AM.
11-27-02, 06:57 AM
#32
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Pensacola, FL
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally posted by 4cefed7
I know a guy who went the other way(DSM to 7) he currently loves his 7, but he is still reaquainting himself to the 7
I know a guy who went the other way(DSM to 7) he currently loves his 7, but he is still reaquainting himself to the 7
Hey Chris,
I am guessing that this is me
DSM's are acctually pretty damn reliable under about 400whp if you treat the car right and don't flog the **** out of it (just like any car). I bought my DSM with about 78,000 miles on it (1990, I got it in like 99) it had a 16g, AFC, clutch, fuel pump and a 3" thermal exhaust with a hi-flow cat. Emmissions legal and about $2k in mods was getting me 8.2's@84mph in the 1/8mi with ~ 1.8 60' times, but a TII with a FMIC, full exhaust, AFC, and stock turbo would eat me up after 3rd gear. Then I got a new job and went pretty much all out on the car. I switched to a 20g, race FMIC, 720ccinj, VPC, cams, ect ect ect parts that would put most cars in the low low low 11's (the turbo was acctually the same type as was on Al Blaha's original 10sec setup), but at the track I was still running 8.2's just at 97mph with 28psi and VP C16, and that was on 18" wheels. The car was fast enough from a roll to keep pace with an SP63 Supra (me on race gas and him on pump). The reason the track times never came down also was simple, I knew I could break the stock driveline ANY time i wanted, but the car ran like that for about 7 - 8mos with race gas in it every weekend running 28+psi and I never broke my 3bolt rear, an axel or the tranny, it still shifted like the day I got it when I sold it, why? No power shifting, and launches were limited. I sold the car for one reason, I lost interest in having a FAST car, I wanted something unique and something I liked the look of. The TII is just plain more fun to drive, but will never be as fast as easy as a DSM will.
Bottom line, if I wanted a FAST car I would probably buy another DSM, build a 2.3L stroker for it, put an AEM and a BIG turbo on it and have a 600whp street car with GOBS of torque, that would outlast any rotary engine running at 100 less HP with no where near the torque. It all settles on what YOU want.
Of course, and LS1 FC.....
11-27-02, 10:13 AM
#35
Full Member
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lavonia, GA
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Here's my take on DSM's:
First off Diamond Star Motor made lots of cars...not only all the 1st and 2nd gen Eclipse/Talon/Lasers, but 3000GT's and Galant's...thats what it says under the hood anyway....
DSM's are ****. I have about 6 friends with DSM's, 4 with 2nd gens, 2 with 1st gens(2x 1st gen GSX/AWD TSi, 3x 2nd gen GSX/AWD TSi, and 1 GST) and they all break, often, even more than my TII. 1 is modified to run high-12's...he breaks things ALL the time and is VERY easy on it when not at the track(car is not running right now...surprise...and only goes to the track 2-3 times a year)
Another just bought his GSX(had a GS) and had to replace his clutch, it took 3 days straight.
Interiors on DSM's are ****...the plastic is tougher, but it squeeks ALL over the place. Things don't quite fit right when you take them apart and break often...like a 2nd gen. Also, stock guages suck...speedometer and tach are ok, but the other guages are worse than the RX-7's.
Also, you will only get a few hundred more $$ for the DSM. Book value on a 1990 in excelent condition with less than 100k is only $2900...yes, RX7's are less...but not by much.
Hope this helps.
Michael
First off Diamond Star Motor made lots of cars...not only all the 1st and 2nd gen Eclipse/Talon/Lasers, but 3000GT's and Galant's...thats what it says under the hood anyway....
DSM's are ****. I have about 6 friends with DSM's, 4 with 2nd gens, 2 with 1st gens(2x 1st gen GSX/AWD TSi, 3x 2nd gen GSX/AWD TSi, and 1 GST) and they all break, often, even more than my TII. 1 is modified to run high-12's...he breaks things ALL the time and is VERY easy on it when not at the track(car is not running right now...surprise...and only goes to the track 2-3 times a year)
Another just bought his GSX(had a GS) and had to replace his clutch, it took 3 days straight.
Interiors on DSM's are ****...the plastic is tougher, but it squeeks ALL over the place. Things don't quite fit right when you take them apart and break often...like a 2nd gen. Also, stock guages suck...speedometer and tach are ok, but the other guages are worse than the RX-7's.
Also, you will only get a few hundred more $$ for the DSM. Book value on a 1990 in excelent condition with less than 100k is only $2900...yes, RX7's are less...but not by much.
Hope this helps.
Michael
11-27-02, 10:16 AM
#36
boost on the way(GTU II)
Thread Starter
all of u guys raise good points.... thanks for all the help ...but i ended up staying with my car and he sold it for 2k. well i liked the car but i love my 7.. point blank!!
i know some of u guys can relate...well thanks again
jack
i know some of u guys can relate...well thanks again
jack
11-27-02, 01:20 PM
#39
Full Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Williams Lake, BC
Posts: 236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I guess you made a good choice... I dunno... DSM was my first love, and then the RX-7 came into my life. She's way cheaper than the DSM I wanted, and I'm sure she's more fun to drive too, but I will always have that little twinkling in my heart for the DSM. One day, when I've got a decked out TII and I'm looking for a winter car I'll grab me an AWD DSM and my dream will have come true. One day
11-27-02, 06:22 PM
#40
Full Member
Another just bought his GSX(had a GS) and had to replace his clutch, it took 3 days straight.
scott
11-27-02, 08:40 PM
#41
Green Flameless
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: North Central PA
Posts: 2,242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just for the update on mine, I got mine (DSM)running about a month and half ago.. . the problem was that one of the parts wasn't right, even though it was directly from mitsubishi.. the little pivot that the fork sits on wasn't long enough.. so the solution was to put two washers under it... and it's apparently solved.. STUPID MITSUBISHI....
11-27-02, 10:19 PM
#42
boost on the way(GTU II)
Thread Starter
praise the lord i didnt get that GSX the engine blew a ring not too long after i posted this thread! tight! the guy didnt know how to drive it......
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Jeff20B
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
73
09-16-18 07:16 PM
23Racer
Race Car Tech
1
09-21-15 10:48 AM
